I must disagree, firstly before you have a philosophy about a subject you must be experienced with the subject. People dont right philosophy on the nature of our existence when there 12 even if they are mature. They simply dont have experience with our nature. The jedi might have mastered discipline but not in the force before they discovered the force. They were likely not aware of the dual nature of the force when they encountered it. We all use the dark side in our daily life. WE use emotion to rile ourselves up and we use pride to compensate for our inadequacies. So it would seem that probably the Jedi initially so nothing bad of using emotions to be stronger until later. and lord isurus when i was talking about music to get through a workout i didnt mean distraction. I meant listening to the Rocky song and getting so energetic and emotional that you do the workout more quikly and with more ferver. We all do this. Some of us do this in extremes and in small matters. For instance we use things for spiritual inspiration, we listen to music, watch a favorite speech in a movie, and when were done were all pumped up and ready for action. The extreme is like when an dictator sends propaganda through the media spreading lies and telling emotional stories like fake masacres to rile up suicide bombers. For instance I use to watch the scene in ESB of Yoda telling Luke "A jedi must tell the deepest commitment", u all know that speech. It used to rile me up and get me all proud and excited. Then I started practicing zen and became calmer. Then I realized the irony of my action. I was using a speech where Yoda warns luke of the darkside in order to rile myself up emotionaly and make me feel proud. Talk about misusing something. A Jedi has a dual nature, one is to live in the moment and feel not think. The other is to be constantly rational and logical. A jedi isnt supposed to listen to the Rocky song and then kik some butt, but rather see what must be done and do it calmy. Not to rile onself up to do a task but rather see the truth of the situation and act. WE all do things like the dark side. We listen to rap music(which i have nothing against)to make us feel all strong and angry. We think of this hot girl before we work out to get us all ready. Rather we should realize the truth of what we are and accept it and not try to change how we feel, and we should think before we workout that in order to obtain this girl and be in shape i must do this. Without the emotion. All these examples prove that there is darkside in all of us and that is commonplace. Following this logic we would assume that since its easier to do a workout with the rocky song rather than just realizing the urgency of the situation, that the darkside would have been mastered first because as we see in everyday life-"Beware of the darkside, anger fear, aggresion, easily they flow, once you start down the dark path forever will it dominate your life." sorry if i messed up the quote.