Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilers Allowed' started by Immortiss, Aug 26, 2013.
I stopped trying to analyze the whole "chosen one" thing long, long ago.
I did too but that idea literally whopped me upside the head while I was watching Sith Apprentice. BTW if any of you haven't seen it go to YouTube and look it up right away. It's hilarious.
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Nah. It's complete. Why do people want to try to come up with any way they can to get Sith in this movie? Let it go.
But Star Wars isn't Star Wars without a Sith.
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This is NEW Star Wars. A Sith isn't necessarily vital to the story anymore. We'll have to wait and see.
I thought about it.
Try here: The Chosen One, The Prophecy, and the ST.
YOU think about it. I'm busy.
Agreed 1000000%. It's not a Star Wars main saga film without the Sith.
Save all that other stuff for the spin-offs.
The PT/OT/ST should always involve Skywalkers & Sith.
Can't hold back these prophecy elements anymore?
Considering Jedi and Sith are both instrumental in Star Wars... here's my take on the entire 'chosen one' prophecy.
Yoda mentions that the prophecy was often misinterpretated (EP III). Balanced isnt restored but more or less 'started to balance out'..in EP VI as the Sith Threat was still out there after the death of Sidious.
Sith do return in the ST.... and are officially eliminated in EP IX (or XII)..by the Skywalker clan with guidance/help/interference from Anakin's force ghost.
In short, Anakin's guidance/leadership does lead to the force balancing out thus fullfilling the prophecy.
This is why I suspect Lucas had HC replaced Sebastian Shaw as a force ghost at the end of EP VI so he'd be
young by the time the ST filing rolls around.
or Vong IMO
I don't think Vong will be in the films. Now that they are uncanon. And I can't see Anakin as a guiding force ghost. Plus I think Episode 7 will have to involve the Prophecy, the Jedi, and the Sith. Though I do think it would be a good idea to see the Imperial Remnant backing a new Sith who has some kind of dark hand or hand of death that is part of the Sith'ari prophecy since that would technically be like the most powerful Sith.
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Star Wars is fully Star Wars without the Vong.
The names 'Sith' or 'Darth Sidious' are never mentioned in the OT. It worked perfectly fine without painting the dark/fallen Jedi as Sith who are sworn to oppose the Jedi for some reason. I think it would be perfectly fine to forget about the Sith myself. But I won't be TOO surprised if that's the direction they want to go, since the PT has people talking about 'Sith' every other breath.
Isn't this the same thing? It's two ways of Yoda saying he can't see what's going on. And it's really vague in that we don't know if the Force itself is being affected, or if Palpatine is targeting Yoda specifically because he's Palp's biggest threat. And, again, we don't hear or see any other Jedi suffering from the growing imbalance.
Frankly, what GL says about it doesn't matter to me. I can really only go by what's on screen. That's the story, not what GL said in interviews.
Again, I'd be for a return to the prophecy if we actually had any example of the imbalance/balance being in play and affecting Jedi, but since we don't, it seems like a weird thing to want the ST to tie into.
I don't understand the regressive impulse in comprehending the same unfolding story. Yes, the OT didn't specifically use terms to describe what is later labeled in the PT. Although the term 'Sith' has been around since the OT. The OT is what Obi-Wan described as our 'first step into a larger world'. The PT enlarged that 'world' and the ST will take that and expand on the very same 'world'. Sometimes I wonder if people don't realize this is all part of the same story being told. What do you call the counterpoint to the Jedi, if not Sith?
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I think you hold the answers to your questions in your own post. Vague is a terrific way to express how the Jedi were feeling in the last years of the Old Republic. Also, do you think having watched the ST that perhaps parts of the PT that seem vague will come into focus. If the ST is to be anything it should be clear and without ambiguity, not only as a whole, but as a piece of the entire saga. Clarifying would be a word I would use to describe 'what the ST should be' or I would use in a story conference, if I were writing the story. That's just me. That's how I perceive it at this time.
In regard to balance, when the Jedi win, the Force is in balance, even for the moment (Luke at the end of A New Hope). When the Jedi are confused, feel vague, there is no balance. They were terminal, excepting a few 'Chosen Ones' (Ben, Yoda, Anakin & Luke/Leia). Does anyone else get the impression that there are a number of 'Archangels' (Qui-Gon) in the Saga.
I hope their will be more like Qui-Gon in the ST. My personal opinion is that Qui-Gon is the most powerful Jedi because of his compassion. In my opinions the Jedi of the Old Republic were still not the ideal guardians. They didn't love and thus weren't as powerful as they could be because they didn't know all of the lighter emotions. On the other hand Qui-Gon loved his neighbor and became the first Jedi Ghost thus he was the most powerful Jedi which is why if think Luke should take a role like that in the ST and kind of guide the new Jedi since it's almost oblivious the Chosen One prophecy was never completed.
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But Qui-Gon became Qui-Kabab after fighting Maul, therefore, he was not the most powerful Jedi.
It's not about power, but in about wisdom and knowledge. In which case, we see that Obi-wan has become like Qui-gon.
"Duality is also present in the characters of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. In the beginning, Obi-Wan is at odds with Qui-Gon, who rebels against the Jedi rules. But by the end of the film, he has become Qui-Gon by taking on his rebellious personality and his responsibilities."
-- George Lucas, Star Wars: The Making of Episode I, 1999
Probably a blessing about being busy (and lazy) is I havent read anything from the EU except for the Thrawn trilogy way back when.
Read them and make up your own mind. The Vong are great fun to read.
They could go "The Matrix" route, although I feel like it's an uninteresting explanation.. After the 3rd film the official story was that Neo brought peace (prophecy), but "how long would peace last". That concept would be an excuse to bring Sith back (replace the word 'balance' with 'peace').
Personally, I feel like I'd rather see them pursue something new.. like the nightsisters, or the Voss.. something that brings an element of mystery and a legitimate threat to a Jedi, without really impacting the chosen one part of the story that's already been told. I'd like to see some "new" in the new star wars. That's probably not mainstream enough for the studio though.
It all depends on how important you believe the Sith are in the story. The 'counterpoint' to the Jedi could be...anything that opposes them. Anyone...evil or not. As I've mentioned before in another thread, how 'Sith' did Palpatine really need to be to succeed? Sure at the end there he got a little desperate and had to fight some Jedi, but the other 99% of his climb to power didn't rely on him being a Sith at all, just a really deceptive politician/manipulator.
I know what people are concerned about. If the prophecy 'balance' thing means the Sith have to be destroyed to achieve this, then what can we have moving forward if there is indeed balance? Well it's pretty simple....in the 30 years after ROTJ the force just becomes unbalanced again for whatever reason, right? They have a pretty big gap to work with here, enough to not really negate any of the force-related story we were already told.
People seem to want all these films to tell one BIG story instead of a bunch of smaller ones. I don't really see it that way...it doesn't all have to have a giant POINT to it, just make some sense and be about space wars.
From my perspective, even thought the Jedi/Sith and the force is very important in Star Wars, it's not really the point. It's all about the change in power and the characters who struggled through it all. From Republic, to Empire, to Rebellion. They got a little carried away with Jedi/Sith and the force powers in the PT, and I'd like to see them focus less on that stuff and more on the actual war part.....vehicles clashing, starships dogfighting, military strikes, etc. That's what I fell in love with in Star Wars, not the guys with swords who use magic. But that is my extremely biased opinion of course.