The Generals' War

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
James Buchanan: 6
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 25
Bill Clinton: 16

+2 Lincoln

 

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
James Buchanan: 4
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 25
Bill Clinton: 16


Presidents in order of chronological removal:
-Ronald Reagan
-George W. Bush
-Andrew Jackson


-2 Buchanan

 

What's with "In order of chronological removal?" Can't we go with the simpler, and more direct "Worst Presidents?"

 

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
James Buchanan: 4
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 27
Bill Clinton: 16

+2 George H.W. Bush

 

Well the game goes until there's only one President left, so we'd end up including a lot of "good presidents" in that category too. And our Republican friends might not like that label.

 

What's with "In order of chronological removal?" Can't we go with the simpler, and more direct "Worst Presidents?"

Mostly because while these would make a lot of people's short lists, I'm not so sure they'd actually be a pick of 'worst president' for a lot of people when regarding the entire list. I think with the first two it might have been, as Raven suggested, a reflex measure in knowing those Presidents would get support and to see them hangning around would have been very annoying.

Realistically as someone who considering themselves denied the chance of writing "Reagan -2" or "George W Bush -2", even I have to acknowledge that both Hoover and Buchannan proved considerably worse at the job of President.

And... Jackson's got the whole Native American thing working against him.

 

Everyone knows Washington, Teddy, Lincoln, FDR will probably stay at the top.

Everyone knows Reagan, Bush 43, Jackson, Buchanan, Hoover will probably be at the bottom.

It's everyone in the middle that's interesting. Whenever someone adds or subtracts from a President I'm not familiar with, I look them up on Wikipedia to see if I agree.

I took points from Reagan, but left Bush 43 alone. I think he and Clinton are still too early to tell what their legacy will be.

 

Remember the Golden Rule, folks. The Jackson/Native American thing is dangerously close to violating it.

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
James Buchanan: 4
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 24
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 27
Bill Clinton: 16

Kennedy +2.

 

I don't think it's a given that REAGAN would end up at the bottom. I mean, he's in around the bottom of MY list, but I was under the impression he was well liked or tolerated by many.

EDIT: violated golden rule. I left the Reagan stuff in becuase I never actually voted one way or the other for him. Similarly with Jackson

 

Well yeah, but it's the Senate's "Presidents: Ranked Worst to Best" list.

 

I think I get another crack now... let's get rid of probably the REAL worst one...

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
James Buchanan: 2
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 24
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 27
Bill Clinton: 16

Buchannan -2

Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson

 

The thing is, the rules aren't just "remove points from the president you think is worst until he's gone". It's who you LIKE vs who you don't.

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
James Buchanan: 2
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 27
Bill Clinton: 16

JFK -2

Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson

 

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 20
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
James Buchanan: 2
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 27
Bill Clinton: 16

Van Buren +2

Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson

 

George Washington: 40
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 20
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
James Buchanan: 2
Abraham Lincoln: 40
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 27
Bill Clinton: 16

Washington +1, Lincoln +1

Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson

 

George Washington: 40
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 20
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
James Buchanan: 2
Abraham Lincoln: 40
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 28
Bill Clinton: 15

George hW Bush +1, Bill Clinton -1

Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson

 

And? Since the game ends when everyone has been eliminated. Since boosting someone's score and refusing to subtract points from someone both have the same end effect (prolonging their stay in the game (and vice versa, with subtracting points/refusing to add having equivalent effects) I don't see how it's "unfair" or a misinterpretation of what we're doing. Adding points only increases the strategic complexity of the game, by allowing people to play defense for their preferred people, rather than simply attacking all the time.

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
James Buchanan: 2
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 24
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 27
Bill Clinton: 16

JFK +2

Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson

 

George Washington: 40
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 20
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
Abraham Lincoln: 40
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 28
Bill Clinton: 15


Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson
-James Buchanan




-2 Buchanan, Buchanan OUT!

 

My point is just it's not set up to give an indicator of worst. There are ways we COULD do that, but this wouldn't be an effective way.

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
James Buchanan: 2
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 27
Bill Clinton: 16

JFK -2

Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson

 

Hey don't touch Van Buren! I saw that!

 

Just to maintain accuracy, Bill Clinton should be on 15 and George HW Bush should be on 28.

 

And Buchanan is out. (should have been out before Reagan and Bush, IMO)

 

No changes, just updating two that slipped by.

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 16
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 17
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 28
Bill Clinton: 15

Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson
-James Buchanan

 

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 17
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 16
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 28
Bill Clinton: 15

Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson
-James Buchanan


Hoover -1, Wilson +1

 

George Washington: 39
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
Abraham Lincoln: 39
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 17
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 16
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 29
Bill Clinton: 14

Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson
-James Buchanan


Bill Clinton-1, George HW Bush +1

 

George Washington: 40
John Adams: 22
Thomas Jefferson: 24
James Madison: 20
James Monroe: 20
John Quincy Adams: 20
Martin Van Buren: 18
William Henry Harrison: 18
John Tyler: 20
James K. Polk: 20
Zachary Taylor: 20
Millard Fillmore: 18
Franklin Pierce: 19
Abraham Lincoln: 40
Andrew Johnson: 20
Ulysses S. Grant: 22
Rutherford B. Hayes: 20
James A. Garfield: 20
Chester A. Arthur: 20
Grover Cleveland: 20
Benjamin Harrison: 20
William McKinley: 20
Theodore Roosevelt: 39
William Howard Taft: 20
Woodrow Wilson: 17
Warren G. Harding: 16
Calvin Coolidge: 20
Herbert Hoover: 16
Franklin D. Roosevelt: 32
Harry S. Truman: 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 25
John F. Kennedy: 22
Lyndon B. Johnson: 22
Richard Nixon: 17
Gerald Ford: 20
Jimmy Carter: 18
George H.W. Bush: 29
Bill Clinton: 14

Presidents in order of chronological removal:

-Ronald Reagan
-George W Bush
-Andrew Jackson
-James Buchanan

+1 Washington, +1 Lincoln