The Hell Thread

Discussion in 'Archive: The Senate Floor' started by The1, Jul 18, 2002.

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  1. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    I'd like to, but its been awhile since I last read up on Near-Death Experiences.

    I've read a bit of Dr. Moody's work, a book called "Return from Tomorrow" (basically the original NDE book), and a couple other thoughtful books on the subject. One was done by an investigative journalist and the other by a couple of doctors. I have the books at home (where, of course, I am away from until tonight). I believe Dr. Moody started out as a strong skeptic and over time began to change his views on NDEs, using research and investigation into the subject.

    I'll try to explain it better soon. I apologize for not being able to.
  2. MadMardigan Force Ghost

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    Often, people of various religions (Western and Eastern) have had experienced similar to those mentioned above.

    Completely agree with you. The only difference being is that they see the diety they believe in as opposed to Jesus. A Muslim dies, he claims to see Allah. A Pagan dies he claims to see Hades.
  3. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    I've read that they often see Jesus, not their own deity, although it has been some time since I read that. I have no proof/evidence to give, so I'd have to go searching again.
  4. sleazo Jedi Master

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    Ive actually heard the smae thing madmadigan has. The only time i have heard that they have seen jesus is from chirstians
  5. JediStryker Jedi Master

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    MadMardigan, I'd really like to see where you are getting these facts if you could post a story of website for reference.
  6. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    I shall investigate more into it :).
  7. MadMardigan Force Ghost

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    I've read that they often see Jesus, not their own deity, although it has been some time since I read that. I have no proof/evidence to give, so I'd have to go searching again.

    Where? A Christian newsletter? A pastor? A Christian magazine? Basically was the source you read that in a fair and unbiased source?
  8. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    I'm aware of objectivity, and I hinted at the importance of it in an earlier post.

    It really has been a long time, so I probably shouldn't even have said that (as opposed to my thoughts on NDEs themselves, which are much more recent).
  9. sleazo Jedi Master

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    and lets not forget all of the people who "see" ufos or the loch ness monster. Just becuase people see something does not make it true. There are lots of whack jobs on this planet.
  10. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    Of course.

    That's why investigation, research and critical thinking are important.
  11. MadMardigan Force Ghost

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    MadMardigan, I'd really like to see where you are getting these facts if you could post a story of website for reference.

    Common sense. Why would a Muslim call out to Jesus? Why would a person who's never even heard of Jesus call out a name they've never heard?

    If you are a Christian would you call out to Zeuss if you were having a near death experience?
  12. AJA Force Ghost

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    I just related one story I saw. There's no need to jump out of your skin over it.
  13. sleazo Jedi Master

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    Well that is the problem with the internet you cant convey tone of voice.
  14. MadMardigan Force Ghost

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  15. Obi Wan Bergkamp Jedi Knight

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    I remember seeing a program on the Discovery Channel a few months ago looking into the phenomenon of alien abduction.

    One of the possibilities discussed in the program was that a lot of people who belive they have experienced alien abduction have had a long period of sleep deprevation and are suffering a lack of oxygen to the brain - their brain starts to record false images of being lifted above oneself, of lights and beings, usually the grey aliens associated with abduction. It was also postulated that during near death experiences the similar lack of oxygen can result in the various religious figures being seen.

    I have had an oxygen starved moment. 72 hours without sleep and I was in a car heading homewards towards my bed I was going down a stretch of the A13 that I know very well and saw many, many more bridges over the road than there actually are, and people walking over the road in front of the car. My friend was driving (he had got to sleep the previous night) and the following day commented on how i was reacting to things that were not there, shouting that we had just run people over etc.

    I just wanted to share that with you all.
  16. DarthYama Jedi Master

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    Hell is solitude, being oppressed by one's 'own people', and the loss of someone close. I have been through Hell.
  17. Chris2 Jedi Youngling

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    Actually, Muslims do believe in Jesus. Just not the same Jesus that Christians do.
  18. Chris2 Jedi Youngling

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    Actually, gwaernardel, "Enoch" which I qouted, is an exception. The book was found with the Dead Sea Scrolls and therefore part of the canon of that era(1st century A.D) also Jude, in his small epistle, mentions the book of Enoch. So Enoch was considered canon by 1st century Jews and Christians.
  19. MUNKY Jedi Padawan

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    MUNKY thinks that hell is a nasty way of scaaring people into believing. [face_plain]
  20. stevo Jedi Master

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    I don't believe in hell but if it does exist, hell is a place so horrid that I cannot describe it for we have never felt such pain or torture.
  21. Riku Jedi Knight

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    One word: Sandman! :D
  22. The1 Jedi Knight

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    I grew up with 2 religions, Roman Catholic and Judaism. The catholic's as I understand it (and thats not very well) believe in the whole fire and brimstone idea where sinners live eternally to be punished for there sins. Jews believe that Hell is a place were everyone goes for a short period of time to be cleansed and then sent to heaven. But the Jew interpretation of Heaven and Hell is cloudy. There are exceptions for some people such as Hitler, he is in Hell forever. I also heard of another interpretation where Hell is a long road that never ends that you walk forever.

    Let's try to stay on topic here folks, no talk of Alien Abductions.
  23. gwaernardel Jedi Master

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    Ah, thanks for clearing that up, Chris2 :)
    As far as I know, Jews don't really believe in a heaven or hell. They believe that their afterlife is based on their actions in life. They think that God punishes those who do wicked things in this life. They also believe that in the afterlife those who are evil will not reach the same degree of happiness as those who are righteous and good in life. So the idea of a Hell is kind of unnecessary to them.
  24. westford Jedi Master

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    I don't believe in Hell. Isn't there enough suffering in this world anyway?
  25. Devilanse Jedi Grand Master

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    We are living in hell, right now.
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