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Discussion The Heroine of the Sequel Trilogy

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by Darth Eddie, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Pro Scoundrel Chosen One

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    My brother-in-law is a chef, and so was my uncle.
  2. Revanfan1 Chosen One

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    Know a man, one of my dad's best friends, and his wife and he are like the ultimate kitchen tag-team. They opened a restaurant, and it eventually failed, but this was due to monetary issues rather than the food. Together they made some awesome food, and he loved to experiment.
  3. Zuckuss the Ruckuss Force Ghost

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    Because its played for comedic effect? Without Willie Scott we don't get that great line "WE ARE GOING TO DIE!!!"
  4. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    My brother is a tax attorney but he can cook like nobody's business. My sister-in-law has invited people to "come taste my husband's pork tenderloin--it will reform you vegetarians of your strange ways".

    As far as the comedic effect of Willie Scott--that would be great if she were funny. She isn't.

    Comedic effect would have been Indy throwing her into a ravine the first time she whined about the parties she was missing in Shanghai.
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  5. Zuckuss the Ruckuss Force Ghost

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    As far as the whole "women in kitchen" thing:

    Agriculture was pretty much created by women. Women created agriculture which in turn gave birth to civilization.

    But culinary arts was almost exclusively a male dominated institution(historically) as a profession. Many of the greatest cooks ever were dudes.
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  6. Zuckuss the Ruckuss Force Ghost

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    I would argue she makes everyone else around her funny by her presence. "Oh come on Dr. Jones, no time for love."
  7. Darth Eddie Force Ghost

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    Soooo the Heroine of the Sequel Trilogy should be a culinary champ who redeems fallen Jedi through delicious cuisine.
  8. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Nah, that should be the hero. The fallen Jedi should be a woman, and she should be hot. And a feisty badass.

    Then dudes will be encouraged to get the hell back in the kitchen where they belong.
  9. Darth Eddie Force Ghost

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    For some things there should be a "love" button.
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  10. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    Except when it's me. I shouldn't be allowed near a kitchen. Ever. :p
  11. Revanfan1 Chosen One

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    Oh, well in that case... ;)
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  12. VanishingReality Jedi Grand Master

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    All men and women cook better than me, as well as animals trained to press a button on a microwave oven.

    I can't cook at all

    "I'm doomed." - C3PO
  13. appleseed Force Ghost

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    You'd better eat raw veggies or you are done for.

    Back to the topic at hand, all fight scenes in movies are absurd. Real fights are more like UFC without the skill. It's just two idiots wallowing around. But everyone bought Leia as a bad ass because Carrie sold it. More than anything, the new female leads-and the new male leads-need to make us believe in their characters. They accomplish that, that is half the battle right there. Imagine ANH without Mark and Carrie being so real as Luke and Leia. No matter how great the rest of it was, the movie would have seemed corny, and not good corny but bad corny.

    I am a PT defender, but if Hayden and Natalie had been anywhere near as good as Mark and Carrie were, then the PT would be viewed differently.

    This is my biggest fear about the ST, because actors who can play a hero or a heroine as well as Mark did in all 3 films and as good as Carrie did in the first two are hard to find. Luke especially is a much harder character to get across than most people think. Luckily if Mark is in the ST, he can help the new hero/heroine be as honest and as sincere as he was. He believes in heroes, and it showed in the OT.
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  14. Joe Force Ghost

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    If reading seven pages of this has taught me anything, it's that I - as a 16-year-old make - am completely unqualified to even talk about the role of women in action films. That being said, I will state that I would be fine with the main protagonist as a male or a female, as long as they can act.
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  15. The Hellhammer Grand Judicator of the New Film Territories

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    It would be cool to see something like Cade Skywalker's storyline from the Legacy comics. A strong, already adult and competent female protagonist, starts out as an anti-hero, wants nothing to do with the Jedi or the Skywalker/Solo name and uses her skill for bounty hunting or something. Eventually, she comes around since she's basically the only one left who has the power/ability/potential to stop whatever new threat there is and returns to her Jedi training - all the while maintaining her rather unorthodox methods.
    The particulars of how these events unfold can go in pretty much any direction, to avoid it being just a copy / adaptation of the Legacy series.

    Would at the same time avoid the somewhat stale "coming of age" story and show us an already strong female character - and one in awesome looking power armor, at that, none of that cheap ripped clothes or what have you.
    Also, I think it would be interesting to move away from the "goody goodies and utterly evil baddies" and have some exploration of the grey areas in between, especially with the main hero and villain and their relationship.

    EDIT - I always thought this chick from The Old Republic was pretty badass. A quite good example of how a female character can be good looking without being in tight leather S&M gear or with "accidentaly" ripped clothes.

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  16. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    I have no idea who that is but she looks pretty cool.
  17. Toonimator Force Ghost

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  18. jedimikey Jedi Master

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    Hoping against hope that Disney's next princess is a wise-cracking, butt-kicking Alana Solo.

    Oh, and Anji, her pet nexu.

    ;)
  19. DARTH_BELO Force Ghost

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    I just hope that a female lead isn't made all butch and super-"tough as nails" for the sake of it, just to prove a point.

    I'd imagine Episode VII is likely not meant to be some kind of political statement, gunning for the power of feminism across the nation. I would LOVE to see a female lead, but a female lead that both women AND men could be drawn to or inspired by.

    Perhaps a character like Ripley from Alien (even though I thought she was great) may be a BIT too much for Star Wars at least, but a character like Katniss Everdeen in Hunger Games/Catching Fire, for example. I think Jennifer lawrence played that part perfectly: a girl with clear and visible feminine characteristics and mannerisms; and yet physically adept, strongwilled, independent and very wise. Seeing a female lead with such characteristics could be quite satisfying to watch.

    I hope THAT is what we see...
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  20. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Trust me, women can and should be inspired by a "tough as nails" female character.

    Overly dependent damsels in distress, OTOH, are pretty uninspiring.

    Leia was considered "too tough as nails" in 1977 but thank goodness Lucas made her that way.
  21. LunarMoth Force Ghost

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    I have no issue with a female hero, but if they try too hard to do it, it will fail miserably. Just as anything that is over thought, a female hero just for the sake a a female hero will come off as phony and incredibly forced. If they cast too "pretty" it will not be believable. If they cast too rough, it will be looked as as "butchy".

    Leia is an awesome hero and she comes naturally. She was written well and Carrie Fisher's personality come across very well and is very strong and likeable. Could you imagine if that role went to the "hot" actress of the day?

    If the story and casting is solid, and the hero happens to be a woman............GREAT!
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  22. InterestingLurker Force Ghost

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    Hey, here's a neat idea:

    Why not more than one female hero?

    Pretty cool idea, amirite?
  23. Sarge Chosen One

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    Charlie's Angels IN SPAAAACE!
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  24. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Better heroines than that I hope.
  25. Jeff Vader Jedi Grand Master

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    I couldn't give a rats what gender the lead(s) are as long as they are well written. Its 2013 not 1913 and sex is irrelevant in terms of carrying a movie. Looking at the casting call it could be either/or, but I'm cool with whatever they decide
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