Amph The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, The Desolation of Smaug, Battle of the Five Armies

Discussion in 'Community' started by -Courtney-, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Well, here's hoping Andy Serkis is better at melodramatically yelling "NOOOOOOOO" than James Earl Jones. Probably not, though.
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  2. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    No, probably not, although there's potential for the whole project to be redeemed by a third trilogy that chronicles Gollum's adventures on his way to Mordor. Or maybe that would be best as an animated television series on the Cartoon Network.
  3. NYCitygurl NSWFF Manager

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    [face_laugh] Shame Andy Serkis isn't (from what I read) in the next two movies.

    Eh, I don't think it's quite that bad. As good as LOTR? No. As bad at the PT? Still no.
  4. Havac Former Moderator

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    I don't know . . .

    I enjoyed the movie sufficiently while in the act of watching it, but that enjoyment just hasn't stuck with me. I really can't remember anything about it that I thought was really great or really took pleasure from. The LOTR movies had their flaws, but I don't remember Aragorn falling off a goddamn cliff, I remember the Battle of Helm's Deep . . . what sticks with me is the good stuff, the gorgeous realization of the physical locations, the music, the acting, the great moments of beauty and depth perfectly realized. The Hobbit didn't really have that. Fellowship had the flight from the Nazgul, when Jackson put the camera and the music and everything to work together to create an epic, thrilling, yet unnerving and menacing chase sequence across great scenery. The Hobbit had a bunch of dwarves shuffling across the plain in a line while a CGI rabbit-sled appeared randomly around them. It was just such a step down in pure filmmaking technique.

    And I think the problem, ultimately, is that Jackson has gotten too comfortable with the franchise. Had it been del Toro, he would have been in a position where he had to prove himself -- to show that he was worthy of taking up the mantle. Jackson already did the movies where he proved himself, and now he's just getting to play in his favorite old playground again. The drive isn't there anymore. And it really shows. LOTR worked to make you fall in love with it. The Hobbit, really, felt like Jackson was counting on your already being in love with the setting, and was all, "Look! A thing you like!" It expected you to bring the love yourself, it presupposed your attachment to the movie, rather than working to make you fall in love with Middle-Earth all over again and fall in love with this specific storyline. I really think that I've finally been able to put my thumb on what was off with the movie -- it was lazy and contented and taking the audience for granted. And while that didn't make it terrible, if you do have that preexisting fondness there, it did make it a lot less as a film, and kept it from being genuinely great or really memorable in the long run.
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  5. laurethiel1138 Force Ghost

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    BoxOfficeMojo's estimation for 2013 blockbusters. About TDOS's chances of achieving the 1B$ magical number:
    Not so bad, all considered. And here's hoping that TDOS will be to AUJ what ESB was to ANH...

    Cheers,
    Lauré :)
  6. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Can't believe that the DVD is almost out or is it out already? Wow time has flown.
  7. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    A different director?


    (Couldn't resist.)
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  8. black_saber Force Ghost

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  9. black_saber Force Ghost

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    not really because the hobbit an unexpected journey just came out in december! I am looking forward to the extended edition!
  10. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Feels like December was yesterday though! And we are in March already! The EE will be great.
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  11. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    I wonder what the running time will be for part 2.
  12. black_saber Force Ghost

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    Maybe alittle bit longer like 5 to 10 mins longer!!!!!!
  13. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    Or maybe it'll be 200 minutes longer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  14. Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece

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    Well, I literally think we got two pages out of me hitting on Varouj's girlfriend.
  15. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    It could be that it is such a fun film that it gets those hundreds of pages. Call me crazy.
  16. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    In light of the crack about the directors, I guess I should reiterate that I liked the film. It had too much filler and wasn't nearly as good as LotR, but I knew that loooonnng before seeing it. And splitting it into three instead of two (which would also be pushing it but could be pulled off) was a huge mistake creatively (but not in terms of dollars, I guess). And of course HFR sucks. I don't agree with the more overblown criticisms, but I understand why people are disappointed.
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  17. tom Chosen One

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    meh, lotr had a thousand plus page thread dedicated solely to "sexy" pictures of the cast. a big reason why this one has so many posts is because there are actually a wide variety of opinions on both the film itself and the production techniques it utilized.
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  18. AAAAAH Jedi Grand Master

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    an unencumbered sigourney (weaver)
  19. Diggy Force Ghost

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    My largest problems with this; there was no tension whatsoever. You always knew all would be fine. And yes, I knew the story, so knew all would be fine. However, I also knew the story of Argo, and there was still tension. Closer to Middle Earth, I knew that story aswell, and there was still tension. Although the Mouth of Sauron was disastrously bad. Going back to this and tension...the mountain fighting thingies looked great, but it's a ridiculous notion that all would come out unscathed. It's a matter of giving up some sort of realism for the sake of cool.

    On minor points, Radaghast leading orcs away, and then back around was silly, Thorin already accepting Bilbo is silly, the troll scenes point was ruined, riddles in the dark was too short, the end sucked and it was too long. Oh and I'm quite tired of Jackson's shooting style. Yes, helicopter flybys show epicness. I get it.

    Apart from that...I thought Freeman was well cast.
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  20. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    There was no real menace which LOTR had in ship loads.
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  21. Sith-Lord-Gunray Ex-Mod

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    When I hit this sentence in your post, I stopped reading. Sometimes posts are so bad that they kill your brain cells. This is one of those. I'd rather lose them to tequila.
  22. Diggy Force Ghost

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    Do you have them to spare? Rather than actually deconstruct my post with reason, you pull out one sentence and throw out a weak insult. Lets go.
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  25. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    I think Mouth of Sauron was awesome and creepy, but Aragorn's act of decapitating him was cheap and unkingly. Part of why that scene works so well in the book is the fact that MoS was intimidated by Aragorn's mere look.