Amph The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, The Desolation of Smaug, Battle of the Five Armies

Discussion in 'Community' started by -Courtney-, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. Everton Chosen One

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    Bloat and overkill, particularly in the context of the current discussion, are extremely harsh terms. FotR was the best of the three, yes, but TTT and RotK are still absolutely brilliant. For me, there's only a sliver of daylight between FotR and RotK, with TTT sat a small distance behind.
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  2. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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  3. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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    Which versions of the LOTR do you guys prefer?

    Theatrical or Extended Editions?
  4. Everton Chosen One

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    Extended. I've not watched the theatrical versions since I saw them in the cinema.
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  5. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    Extended Editions, no debate.

    TTT in particular benefits hugely from the EE - at least Faramir's inexplicable character change makes sense in the EE.
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  6. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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    And EE of ROTK fills in plot holes that was in the Theatrical version

    And last time i saw the Theatrical versions was in theatres
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  7. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    Extended Edition because more Middle Earth and stuff.
  8. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    FOTR theatrical version. It's a nearly perfect fantasy film.
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  9. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    I suppose it depends on which EE it is.

    I like them all, but I know added scenes in ROTK such as the Witch King vs Gandalf & Aragorn beheading the Mouth of Sauron do annoy some fans.
  10. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    Oh yes, both of those (Witch King destroying Gandalf's staff and Aragorn beheading Mouth of Sauron) are very annoying and wrong on a fundamental level.
  11. Force Smuggler Force Ghost

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    I remember seeing an early clip Gandalf riding through Minas Tirith and the Witch King arriving and liking it but was let down by the real thing. Another scene I can't stand is when Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas are traveling through the Paths of the Dead and Gimli keeps stepping on skulls or something. So pointless.
  12. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    And the GREEN ECTOPLASM washing over Minas Tirith aaaaaaaaaarrrrghhhh!
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  13. Coruscant Force Ghost

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    Witch King and Gandalf is a scene I don't like because I was just like, "well... is that it?" I didn't like the staff-breaking thing, but it's not just that, the fight could have been so much more. It was especially a letdown after seeing it in the previews for the theatrical version, but it was ultimately taken out of the theatrical cut, so we had to wait for this highly anticipated scene in the EE.
  14. laurethiel1138 Force Ghost

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    Especially considering that, in the end, all the tales of Middle-Earth are part of the Red Book of Westmarch, which is, as a trustworthy site says:
    So Jackson is merely doing what the Hobbits did in-story, which is to tell a continuous tale of the adventures surrounding the movements of the One Ring in the Third Age, thereby giving coherence to an otherwise fragmentary story.

    Cheers,
    Lauré :)
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  15. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    Thing is, it wasn't supposed to be "much more". And the Witch King breaking Gandalf's staff was completely wrong, as the Witch King is merely a man-made-wraith, whereas Gandalf is a Maia, an incomparably more powerful being. Plus the staff-breaking didn't even make sense, because in no way did it diminish Gandalf's ability to fight (and he gets a new one at the end, anyway).
  16. Coruscant Force Ghost

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    Well, in that case, I wanted to see Gandalf open a good ole can of whoop-ass! :p
  17. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    That wasn't really in his job description when he was sent to Middle-earth... :p
  18. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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    Things can change :p
  19. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    Obviously, Gandalf should've attached a chainsaw to the end of his staff.
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  20. Bacon164 Force Ghost

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    There's nothing controversial about using those terms in context of Jackson's filmography, particularly in regards to AUJ and the latter LOTR films. It's not a new statement, and with the release of a three hour film based on a sliver of a children's book, the terms haven't become less relevant. When an hour of a film can be cut without any sacrifice from characterization or plot, there's something inherently wrong with the structure of the film itself. Say what you will about TPM, but there is more imagination and understanding of pacing, rhythm, and thematic construction in those two hours of film than anything Peter Jackson has directed since FOTR and arguably since Heavenly Creatures.
  21. Ghost Chosen One

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    Not necessarily.

    All the Valar were losing to Morgoth's dragon army until Earendil and an army of humans showed up.
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  22. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Yeah, the confrontation ended the same way in the book: Rohan shows up. Blame Tolkien for that one.
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  23. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    Another good EE scene is when Aragorn gets owned by Sauron in the Palantir.

    Aragorn is all like "behold my newly repaired sword of justice!" and so Sauron is all like "oh yeah, well behold your dead girlfriend!"


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  24. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    Yeah, that's another botched scene - in the books Aragorn pwned Sauron in the Palantír (at least, made him uncertain and wary).
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  25. Skywalker8921 Jedi Grand Master

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    EEs without a doubt. I was so annoyed with the TC editions because Jackson left out the Kingdom of Arnor and the line of Anarion and added all that bunk about Isildur being the last King of Gondor before Aragorn. Irritated me no end. I know Jackson was trying to simplfy things a bit, but those omissions, especially in light of the fact that Denethor refers to Aragon as a Ranger from the North, are a little extreme. The EEs restored some of that material, thankfully.