Amph One Thread To Rule Them All: The Rings of Power + The Hobbit & Lord of the Rings Trilogies

Keeper of the Dungeon who tried to kill Gandalf



Original design for Bolg

 

Wasn't Aragorn a toddler during the time of the Hobbit? Why would he already become the Strider?

 

No 17 year gap in movie-verse.

 

10 years old, during the events of The Hobbit

 

From Wikipedia:

• 2930: Arathorn II becomes the Chieftain of the Dúnedain
• 2931: Birth of Aragorn, son of Arathorn II and Gilraen
• 2933: Arathorn II is killed while hunting Orcs
• 'March' 15, 2941: Thorin Oakenshield meets with Gandalf the Grey at the Prancing Pony in Bree, the Quest of Erebor begins
• 'July' 2941: Bilbo Baggins obtains the One Ring; the White Council drives Sauron out of Dol Guldur
• 'October' 2941: Esgaroth is attacked by the dragon Smaug, who is consequentially killed by Bard the Bowman; Thorin Oakenshield, Fíli, and Kíli killed at the Battle of Five Armies along with Bolg son of Azog; Dáin II Ironfoot becomes King of The Lonely Mountain; Town of Dale re-established by Bard
• 'June' 22, 2942: Bilbo Baggins returns to Bag End
• 2951: Sauron reveals himself in Mordor, and starts raising Barad-dûr anew. Estel, later known as Aragorn, comes of age and is told about his heritage.
• 2953: Last meeting of the White Council. Fengel, fifteenth king of Rohan, dies. His son Thengel returns to Rohan to succeed him.
• 2956: Aragorn first meets Gandalf the Grey
• 2957–2980: Aragorn as Thorongil serves in the armies of King Thengel of Rohan, and Steward Ecthelion II of Gondor
• 'September' 22, 2968: Frodo Baggins is born
• 2978: Birth of Boromir
• 2980: Arwen pledges her hand in marriage to Aragorn; Frodo Baggins loses both of his parents in a boating accident; Aragorn, in the service of the Steward of Gondor Ecthelion II leads a taskforce south and kills the Captain of the Haven, ruler of Umbar;Samwise Gamgee born;[16] Théoden, son of Thengel, becomes seventeenth king of Rohan after the death of his father.

 

i just got back from taking my kids to this one for the sake of completion. so proud that they share most of my complaints and that we could have a great venting session on the car ride home. that was almost worth the price of admission.

i guess i can see how someone who hasn't read the book or someone who just isn't very attached to it could like these movies. if watching cgi creatures chase and battle each other for a long time is your thing, then cool. but for the rest of us this will always be a missed opportunity. jackson clearly loves middle earth, he almost always nails the design and the look of the world. and in these films he gets an occasional moment just right. but those moments are so few and far between that they become a tease, a taste of what these films could have been if he had simply committed himself to telling the story of the hobbit. instead it's as if he feels he must constantly up the stakes, as if the story tolkien wrote wasn't good enough. like he wasn't trying to adapt tolkien, he was trying to top him. or more likely he felt that he had to top his own lord of the rings trilogy, but the result is that the charm and character of tolkien's work are unrecognizable in these new films. it's a shame.

 

I predict a great fan-edit whittling all this bloat down to the single 2.5-3hr movie it should have been.

 

I would have liked to see Jackson have the guts to say "This is The Hobbit, not LOTR" and follow the book and have Bilbo knocked unconscious for the climactic battle just as in the books. We had Helm's Deep, Pelennor Fields and Black Gate. We didn't need another battle.

 

I actually liked the HFR in AUJ once it got past the prologue sequence...

 

I saw TDOS in IMAX, must say it was quite awesome, especially the Smaug/Bilbo scenes. I can't say the visuals ever bothered me, the movies' problems are so much more fundamental than that.

For that matter, I thought the Smaug/Bilbo scenes were the best thing in the first two movies, period, and pretty much the main reason I would rank it ahead of AUJ.

 

This is how I rank them

FOTR
ROTK
TTT
AUJ
BOTFA
TDOS



So what happened to the Arkenstone? Was it eaten by a bat which was eaten by a paratrooper bear which was then eaten by a giant graboid?

 

Slowpokeking, what Bacon164 and Legolas Skywalker said. The 17 year gap in Fellowship between Bilbo's departure and Frodo's was compressed to one year in the film. The extended edition of Two Towers gave Aragorn's age as 87, which matches with the book - he turned 88 during the last days of the War. Since the 17 year gap was thrown out, but the 60 year gap between Hobbit/LOTR remains, that puts Aragorn as 26-27 in the Hobbit films.

 

It was quite odd for Thranduil to mention him when Legolas was so sad about Tauriel. Shouldn't he say something like "There is a beautiful girl in Rivendell, you should meet her"?

 

I think the two-film deal was the strongest possible combination with Jackson. He's either never worked well with editors or has never had a good one and I'm not convinced he could have made one, well-paced, faithful adaptation of the book.

 

Yeah, 2 movies should have been the best deal.

 

24 hours until Hobbit showtime for my son and me.

 

seeing it with the boys tomorrow as well

 

Arwen would have turned him down cause you know Aragorn

 

She hadn't met Aragorn yet.

 

Still

Aragorn and Arwen are perfect for each other

 

Isn't it obvious Jackson's next Middle-earth film will focus around a love triangle between Elessar, Undomiel, and Greenleaf? Following the events of The Hobbit trilogy, Mithrandir will learn of the halfling's riddle game, and will amass a coalition to hunt down the half-wraith before Sauron learns of his secrets (never mind the plot hole about Gandalf not having any idea Bilbo's magic ring might be the Ring) and thinks the Shire must be his first target for domination. An Elven prince and an Elven princess will be chosen by Mithrandir to hunt Gollum in the wilderness, but they need the skills of a ranger to track him down. But in these years, Thorongil serves Ecthelion, so Gandalf must have the steward assassinated so that Denethor, having secretly deduced the identity of his father's loyal servant, will banish the hidden king from the borders of Gondor. The four heroes united, Elessar, Arwen, Legolas, and Mithrandir track Gollum to the Gladden Fields where curiously, they find Curunír taking a swim. Alas, the One is not there. Curunír updates the grey wizard on his own hunt for Sauron, but takes a hike to Isengard when Mithrandir briefly suspects foul play that dissipates with a whiff of the Halfling's leaf. Eventually, the four come into contact with Gollum and attempt to break him. But while Sméagol has his own repressed desires, Arwen finds she has some of her own. Having been forced out of Imladris to hone her warrior skills, Arwen will be forced to choose between an eternal love with the Elven prince of Mirkwood and a brief but all-consuming passion with a mortal man of Numénor, the heir of Isildur. When Mithrandir cannot convince Gollum to speak the name of Baggins, he has him taken to the Heart of Elfdom, where Daveigh Chase interrogates the creature, but in her lack of control accidentally sends the creature flying hundreds of miles through the air into the gates of the enemy's lands. Arwen and Elessar, meanwhile, consummate their love with the help of a small leaf of elanor, and Greenleaf is once again relegated to the role of immortal bachelor, doomed to find love only in the company of dwarves. Mithrandir, following a heated argument with Daveigh Chase, gives up the search for Gollum due to a birthday invitation. He and Elssar stop in Hollin and orders a bunch of fireworks. They are delivered to Imladris, where Mithrandir picks them up. And so it will be that Mithrandir and Elessar ride west in a wagon, passing the hills surrounding Amon Sul in the North, and in the early weeks of August, come upon the village of Bree. Mithrandir is very excited about his friend's birthday party, and tells Elessar to have the rangers keep a closer watch on the Shire. Mithrandir then rides his wagon south through the Barrow-Downs and comes across the lands of Bombadil. The hidden powers are introduced here for the first time, and the lowly Istari recreates the adventures of the Old Forest backwards in his quest to reach Bilbo's party on time. After many adventures, he passes the Western Hedge and enters Crickhollow, crosses Buckleberry Ferry, and begins to sing a song he learned from the birthday boy in their adventures in the East. As he enters the woods of the East Farthing, the camera pans into his box of fireworks as we hear a familiar voice shout: "You're late!" Mirthandir utters the familiar reply, and we fade to black amidst the laughter of friends.

 

What in the world?

 

Marrying a man is one thing (after all, Tuor was his grandfather, Beren his great grandfather) -- but there's absolutely no way Elrond would stand for Arwen marrying a Silvan Elf!

 

All the more fodder for the extended edition.