Amph The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, The Desolation of Smaug & There and Back Again

Discussion in 'Community' started by -Courtney-, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    Elves are immortal unless they're slain in battle. Deal with it! :p
  2. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    You can disagree with Professor Tolkien on his own creation all you like, saber, it doesn't affect the facts. [face_not_talking]
  3. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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    Oh i will :p
  4. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    Or when they die of grief. ;)
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  5. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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  6. Everton Chosen One

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  7. timmoishere Force Ghost

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  8. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    In the "Goblins" entry of the index of part 2 of The Book of Lost Tales, it says "Frequently used as alternative term to Orcs" but "sometimes apparently distinguished".

  9. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    Lovely text. It's worthy of note that these conjunctive pairings, "Orcs and goblins", are found in The Book of Lost Tales and not in The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings. In the latter Legolas, at least, makes it plain that they're two words for the same humanoid. So, grain of salt on posthumously published extraneous writings, and all that.
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  10. timmoishere Force Ghost

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    How about this:

    All goblins are Orcs, but not all Orcs are goblins.
  11. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    The answer is no. You know how halfling and hobbit mean the same thing? It's like that!
  12. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    So is it in this one where Radagast convinces the Senate Wizard Council to grant Sauraman emergency powers a stronger Wizard staff due to the threat of the Clone Wars Battle of the Five Armies?
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  13. Todd the Jedi Mod and Sitcom Dad of SWTV

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    OMG! That Tolkien guy ripped off George Lucas! ]-}
  14. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    Arrest him and have him tarred and feathered for all the world to see!
  15. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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    Should be the other way around ;)
  16. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    Broken sarcasm detector, Darth Vader?
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  17. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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  18. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    [face_plain] [face_sigh]
  19. Merlin_Ambrosius69 Force Ghost

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    I've never known Darth Vader to register irony!
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  20. MercenaryAce Force Ghost

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    While orcs and goblins are two words for the same things, it is worth noting that they do come in various shapes and sizes that are apparently worth distinguishing with different names. In addition to the above quote, there are references to small, servile snagga, and pig like snufflers.
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  21. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    If that is the case, without trying to create a protracted debate, Elves are not immortal.
    They have eternal life yes, but they can die if some one kills them.

    Immortals, on the other hand, can't die at all.
    Immortal = Unable to die, so if you die you aren't really unable :p

    They are no more immortal than Vampires are.
  22. Lugija Force Ghost

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    Yeah, almost every single named elf in The Silmarillion would like to ask about that immortal thing.

    Except Cirdan. He's busy sitting on a beach and drinking stuff with paper umbrellas, man.
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  23. Ghost Chosen One

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    Elves get new bodies after they're slain. Just on another continent, in Aman.
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  24. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    If they are like Sauron in that they can lose their physical body and yet remain alive in another form then yes they are immortal.

    My point was more to emphasise that eternal life is not the same as immortality, immortals can't be killed.
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  25. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    Sauron's not an Elf, he's a Maia (same as Gandalf).