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Full Series The Imperial Senate Guard

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Kassius Konstantine, May 23, 2015.

  1. redlightning

    redlightning Jedi Knight star 4

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    It would be interesting to see an attempted assassination of the Emperor. Besides the Clone Wars and Jedi rebellion, there has to be more crises which Palpatine uses to keep power with.
     
  2. whostheBossk

    whostheBossk Force Ghost star 4

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    We really need these characters fleshed out more in Rebels or Rogue One. This is the perfect opportunity to show who they are and what they stand for. This is essential so when you see them again in ROTJ, you know they mean business. Love the McQuarrie artwork on them. The Imperial Red Royal Guards...always will be one of my favorite characters. Please keep the mystery and also show them in action.
     
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  3. Sandtrooper956

    Sandtrooper956 Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm pretty sure their main goal is to guard senators and/or the Emperor.
    If we're on the subject of awesome Imperial guards, I personally love the Shadow Guards.
     
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  4. Darth Basin

    Darth Basin Jedi Master star 5

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    The Senate Guard is gone but it seems it was replaced with an "Imperial" Senate Guard hence the droids carrying Vibo-Pikes.
     
  5. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Since we still have an Imperial Senate for a few more years I think it would be interesting to see them.

    Their primary job is to protect Imperial Senators....but they could also be spies and assasins for the Emporer. They keep Imperial Intelligence aprised of what the senator they are assigned to is up to and are there to execute them for treason if they try to do anything to support the rebels.
     
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  6. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    Since "Alderaan has no weapons" and since Princess Leia is an Imperial Senator eligible for protection, her defenders are most likely ANH period Imperial Senate Guards (mostly consisting of members of the Alderaanian Royal Guard according to the 1977 Lucas Notes).

    Hence Vader was not at all surprised to encounter these on Princess Leia's consular ship and his aide was understandably concerned how the illegal seizure of a diplomatic ship and the killing of Senate Guards would resonate within the senate.
     
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  7. Darth_Accipiter

    Darth_Accipiter Force Ghost star 5

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    we see them running around the rebel base on Yavin in ANH, so no- unless the rebels on Yavin are ex Alderaanian Senate guards who still don the garbs.
     
  8. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Alderaan has no weapons. The Rebel Alliance, however, has lots of weapons.

    "No weapons" in this case may be closer to "no dedicated weapons of warfare" (battleships, weapons of mass destruction, etc) rather than "no security equipment", too.
     
  9. Vorax

    Vorax Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Maybe simply Leia was lying like about the other planet Dantooine. Bail and Alderaan has been organizing a para-military resistance for years now. Leia pulls something similar around the time of TFA when the New Republic is pacifist in nature and has been demilitarizing except for its big fleet .
     
  10. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    Iron_lord wrote

    Alderaan has no weapons. The Rebel Alliance, however, has lots of weapons.

    "No weapons" in this case may be closer to "no dedicated weapons of warfare" (battleships, weapons of mass destruction, etc) rather than "no security equipment", too.

    Here is what George Lucas said in the 1977 "Lucas Notes" (through the voice of Princess Leia, published in the hardcover edition of The Making of Star Wars):

    “The people on the ships are the royal guard, more like guards than troops. All the men on my ship were essentially part of the Rebellion. They were handpicked because of their antipathy toward the Empire”.

    “Some of the more militant systems started training military forces (for the Rebellion). The more peaceful systems, like [Alderaan], became gatherers of information”.

    (But even if we were to assume that the armed units aboard her ship had just been soldiers of the Alderaan Royal Guard, it’s a fact that the kind of uniform worn by Captain Antilles (whom Vader choked to death) is also worn by General Willard (commander-in-chief of the Rebel Forces), General Dodonna and other high ranking Alliance officers at the Rebel base on Yavin IV, add to this the numbers of “Alderaan Royal Guards” patrolling and guarding the base and participating at the medal ceremony at the end of the film.)

    Such overwhelming presence of Alderaanian armed units would then somewhat thwart both Leia’s “We have no weapons” claim and the one that others, but not Alderaan, were providing armed units to the Rebel Alliance!

    I believe the key to determine what Princess Leia's defenders actually were, is first to determine what they are not.

    They can't possibly be "Rebel Fleet Troopers" because if this were an official uniform, then Vader would have said something, anything, about their presence on Leia's ship.
    Instead he resorts to all kinds of accusations and speculations, rather than to say "These are Rebel troopers, therefore you are part of the Rebel Alliance".
    And it's obvious that Lucas tried to fix this erroneous impression in his 1977 notes. ;)

    We learn that Leia's defenders belonged to the Alderaan Royal Guard, but does that mean only the men themselves or does it also include the uniforms?

    IMHO, their sheer presence at Yavin IV suggests otherwise for the aforementioned reasons. Since other Senators also support the Alliance, it's not farfetched to assume that the military personnel at Yavin IV were their Imperial Senate guards, too.

    Of course, they could also belong to some kind of private and intergalactic security service, but still they do look like the counterparts to the Samurai-helmeted black personnel of Vader's and/or the Empire's Guard Corps, so I believe there is a lot of substance hinting "Imperial Senate Guard".
     
  11. Darth Basin

    Darth Basin Jedi Master star 5

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    Leia's ship had weapons. She's a liar.
     
  12. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I'd love to see them guarding the Imperial Palace.
     
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  13. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    For self defence against pirates. I think Bail's ship in RoTS had guns too.
     
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  14. whostheBossk

    whostheBossk Force Ghost star 4

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    Will we see the guards (either Imperial or Rebellion/Alderonian) in action for Rebels season 3 or Rogue One? I would like to hear more backstory on how the Inquisitor was once a temple guard.
     
  15. Darth_Accipiter

    Darth_Accipiter Force Ghost star 5

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    Well we didn't get Senate Gaurds but we did finally see the long mysterious Red Gaurds in action. Those pikes are more menacing now that we know they emulate the force. Its actually a cool nod to legends because in legends the red gaurds were modeled after Mandalorians - who designed all sorts of equipment to counter and emulate the force. Cool to see the battle armor underneath the cloaks as well. This moment was very force unleashed esque - a fight with the force. Dialed down a bunch of course.

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  16. whostheBossk

    whostheBossk Force Ghost star 4

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    I enjoyed this scene immensely! And having the hologram of the Emperor reappear was fantastic. The guards were finally shown, just would like the cloaked ones in action as well. As for the Force pikes..? Well played! Now we must wait for "Resistance" and the Praetorian guards..oh wait, we already scene them in action!
     
  17. Snafu55

    Snafu55 Jedi Master star 3

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    I did not like their voices...
     
  18. Lumiyas_Head

    Lumiyas_Head Jedi Master star 2

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    I swear they're speaking Goa'uld from Stargate SG-1. When they first come through the hatch it sounds like they say, "Sholva!" and then later, "Jaffa kree tok".
     
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  19. Vorax

    Vorax Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The armor is partially modeled on the Kir Kanos/Carnor Jax outfits that have made it all the way to toys recently.

    Am still trying to figure out what was up with their voices. It seems on this show they flipped the Death Trooper voices for regular lame repetitive voices, while the Royal Guards were given something similar to Rogue One's Death Trooper voices.

    To be brutally honest and frank, I did not like that scene. It reminded me why I often loathed Rebels, it ranged from frustrating and often irritating , was cringe inducing. So all they do is hold him up there, the force pikes apparently do not do anything else what cept magnetize and levitate in some kinda field similar to ray shield. He's still pretty pain free since he still has access of his faculty and free to use the Force while he's in its grip. It takes three of them to lift him and hold and none of them go in for the kill or do anything else for that matter. The Stormtroopers come in and miss as usual. Was some of the dumbest stuff they pulled and pulled lots of crap. And all of a sudden Sidious cannot take out Ezra himself while in hologram - all they make him do is use the Force to uncuff the millennial superhero Ezra,lol. Meanwhile back on TCW he was choking out Tyranus and Vader killed Ozzel on a TV screen,lol. I never liked how Filoni handled the major villains whether on TCW or Rebels. I guess Filoni did not give Sidious Force viagra like he gave in TCW where somehow Sidious was fighting like he never fought in the actual films,lol.
     
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  20. whostheBossk

    whostheBossk Force Ghost star 4

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    Sounds about right. I am rewatching Rebels again and will watch this scene again. You know he would have done something.
     
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