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The JC Lit Reviews Special: DARK NEST I: THE JOINER KING (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Mastadge, Jul 22, 2005.

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  1. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes, that's right! It's time for the first full-length SW novel since Revenge of the Sith (the highest rated novel yet, I think), and the first unPT novel in far too long. Will any novel ever get a higher rating here than Revenge of the Sith? Most likely not . . . but this is the first contestant!

    You know how it works: rate The Joiner King on a scale of 1 to 10, supplementing your rating with a review if you feel like it. But please do not rate the book until after you've read the whole thing. Thank you.

    Links to previous threads:

    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=17248664]Republic Commando: Hard Contact, by Karen Traviss[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=11891489]Shatterpoint, by Matthew Stover[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/15942000/]The Cestus Deception, by Steven Barnes[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/16243194/]Medstar I: Battle Surgeons, by Michael Reaves and Steve Perry[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/17032029/]Medstar II: Jedi Healer, by Michael Reaves and Steve Perry[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/17248649/]Jedi Trial, by David Sherman and Dan Cragg[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/17551522/]Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, by Sean Stewart[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/18155142/]Labyrinth of Evil, by James Luceno[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/19037782/]Revenge of the Sith, by Matthew Stover[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/14438851/]Galaxies: The Ruins of Dantooine, by Veronica Whitney-Robinson[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=10759477]Tatooine Ghost, by Troy Denning[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/14741176/]Survivor's Quest, by Timothy Zahn[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=6213214]Enemy Lines I: Rebel Dream, by Aaron Allston[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=7012853]Enemy Lines II: Rebel Stand, by Aaron Allston[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=7667586]Traitor, by Matthew Stover[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=8946420]Destiny's Way, by Walter Jon Williams[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=8635681]Ylesia, by Walter Jon Williams[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=10343473]Force Heretic I: Remnant, by Sean Williams and Shane Dix[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=11499850]Force Heretic II: Refugee, by Sean Williams and Shane Dix[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=12177893]Force Heretic III: Reunion, by Sean Williams and Shane Dix[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=13334532]The Final Prophecy, by Greg Keyes[/link]
    [link=http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/13820980/]The Unifying Force, by James Luceno[/link]
     
  2. lightsaber_wielder

    lightsaber_wielder Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Surely somebody's willing to post a review of The Joiner King? (Not that I'll read the review, just the rating; I'm trying to avoid spoilers.)
     
  3. neo-dragon

    neo-dragon Jedi Master star 3

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    I just got my copy today (4 days early!! :)). Just went to my local bookstore and asked someone to get it from the back. Anyway, I've only read the prologue so far...
     
  4. LukesDestiny

    LukesDestiny Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I'm sort of excited about finally getting a book after the conclusion of the New Jedi Order. How many pages is it? Isn't is supposed to have "Ylesia" in it as well?
     
  5. Kudzu

    Kudzu Jedi Knight star 5

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    *pokes Excellence* ;)

    [:D]
     
  6. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    I can't get it until Tuesday! :(
     
  7. neo-dragon

    neo-dragon Jedi Master star 3

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    Yes, it does have "Ylesia". "The Joiner King" is 443 pages by itself, but including "Ylesia" There are 526 pages. You know, there should be a non-spoiler discussion thread for this book.
     
  8. lightsaber_wielder

    lightsaber_wielder Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Can somebody please post some reviews?
     
  9. neo-dragon

    neo-dragon Jedi Master star 3

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    I'm only 55 pages into it. I'm afraid I have other obligations which are seriously detracting from my reading time. Sorry. I'm enjoying it so far, if that helps.

    Spoiler

    There's a really funny scene with Luke in a Cantina with some alien chicks trying rather forcefully to pick him up, right in front of Mara and Ben!

    End Spoiler


    That's all I'll say for now.
     
  10. Darth_Hydra

    Darth_Hydra Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Does it say what species they were?
     
  11. neo-dragon

    neo-dragon Jedi Master star 3

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    Ishi Tib.
     
  12. dizfactor

    dizfactor Jedi Knight star 5

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    i don't mean to be speciesist here, and i'm not one to criticize others for odd sexual proclivities, but Ishi Tib and humans? eeeeeeeeeeew.....
     
  13. Dingo

    Dingo Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It's too late in the day to write a review, but I'll give it a rating: 7/10
     
  14. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Counting 1 rating: 7/1 = 7
     
  15. jedi-jeff

    jedi-jeff Jedi Master star 3

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    I will give it 8 out of 10

    The Good:

    Troy Denning does good job with Ben and the Killiks. Also, Luke and Leia find out about Padme, though this does not seem to have any relevance to current events in the book. The story about what happened to Raynar Thul and the history of the Killiks was very interesting.

    The Bad:

    Akanah from BFC is in the book for a few pages. I never liked her in the BFC books and the this book would have been better without her. Leia is said to have been a junior Senator from the Old Republic which is another continuity blunder. Jaina seems to be developing a close relationship with Zekk. Unfortunately his character has never been developed to the degree that Jag was in the NJO and he is not as interesting since I do not know much about him.
     
  16. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Counting 2 ratings: 15/2 = 7.5
     
  17. Rdog22

    Rdog22 Jedi Master

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    I finished the book on Sunday, and I loved it. The storyline was very reminescent of the original trilogy and serves as a good intro into the rest of the trilogy. I also really liked the way he incorporated a lot of details into the story, such as the creation of the Maw and Centerpoint (however factual this may turn out to be), the Fel continuity fix, and the reestablishment of the Jedi Temple on Ossus, as well as a rather in-depth detail of the training that goes into a "modern" Jedi. Another thing I liked is the whole concept of the Killik's hive mind and the danger it poses to Jedi and everyone else who stays around a bit too long.

    The only thing that I didn't quite like are the somewhat different characterizations of Han, Leia, and the modern Jedi. I guess you can explain away the new hardness of Han and Leia due to the after effects of losing their child, half the galaxy, and the government they nearly died to create, but it was still a little weird to read about how they almost killed an aggressive yet innocent surveyer for jumping their claim. As for the modern Jedi thing, it was rather nice to see the Jedi once again kickin' butt, but disconcerting to read about them using their anger on opponents. The end of the book where Luke sorta rejects this philosophy gives me hope that they will revert to a more traditional view on the Force (no offense to Potentium fans).

    I give it a 9/10.
     
  18. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Counting 3 ratings: 24/3 = 8
     
  19. Jaina_SoIo

    Jaina_SoIo Jedi Youngling star 1

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    7.5 out of 10.

    I just have to say that the Dark Nest trilogy has some HUGE shoes to fill after the bang that the NJO left with. As the first book in the trilogy, the Joiner King has to set up A LOT, and I think some of its action and plot-driven sequences suffer because of it (though there was plenty of action, no question there). Also, I've yet to decide whether Jaina and the other Jedi's assimilation into the Hive will turn out to be a great plot or a crummy excuse for "character development."

    Some highlights--I love how Luke is portrayed, and the Potentium has the potential to really stir up the next generation of books (even moreso than the NJO). The score I gave JK may go up in retrospect of the other books, but for now I'm going to be conservative. Also, I really flew through the book, so there might have been a lot I missed that might have otherwise affected my score.

    Even though I only gave it a 7.5, I really enjoyed the book a lot, and I have a lot of hope for the rest of the trilogy!
     
  20. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Counting 4 ratings: 31.5/4 = 7.86
     
  21. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Today's the official release date. Anyone else read it yet?
     
  22. sido-diuus

    sido-diuus Jedi Youngling star 1

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    7.5 out of 10.
    I got mine early too. It wasn't quite up to Mr. Denning's usual standard. The jedi really were different, especially in regards to the torture scene. I was disappointed that Jaina is going for Zekk now, but I'll keep rooting for her and Jag to get back together. Overall, it was okay just a little dull.
     
  23. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm reading this book now. My review should be up sometime this week.
     
  24. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Counting 5 ratings: 39/5 = 7.8
     
  25. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    My review: 9

    I was extremely impressed by the way all the characters were portrayed. I think that there were alot of subtle hints for future plot lines in the next two books, which I really enjoyed.

    I really liked the portrayl of Cal Omas as well. The book makes you feel sorry for the man who has literally had the weight of the galaxy on his back. Dennind did a good job making the reader realize that Omas arguing with Luke is not out of disrespect but from a man who just is physically and mentally exhausted.

    I also loved the descriptions of the Jedi Academy on Ossus. The different classes were fun, giving the school a quasi-Hogwarts fell. ;)

    Luke was written as the wise Grand Master of the Jedi that we all love to see. Han and Leia were done with care as well.

    Anyways, I guess the only thing that detracts me from giving it a higher score is that I found myself wanting to know more about the state of the Galactic Alliance. The few bits of info we got were interesting, and I hope to see more of them in the next two books.

    --Adm. Nick
     
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