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Reviews Books The JC Lit Reviews Special: FATE OF THE JEDI: ALLIES (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Havac , May 25, 2010.

  1. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Average score: 367.35/57 = 6.44
     
  2. ImpKnight

    ImpKnight Jedi Master star 3

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  3. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Average score: 373.85/58 = 6.45
     
  4. Liliedhe

    Liliedhe Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I?ve been really slack with my reviews.

    Well, I liked this one. It was nice, a very interesting book, with a lot of potential. And one point that infuriated me. So, I better get that out of the way: Callista. I liked Callista. The books with her in them are pretty much the only Bantam Era books I like. The way she was written out made sense, even if it was frustrating.

    I?m not into shipping. I very much do not care who Luke ends up with (or ended up with), and I detest that a character like Callista is only judged on her merit to be his mate, and nothing else. But, that?s water under bridges. She?s been gone for a looooooong time, in universe and out. To find out she?s dead wasn?t very surprising. To find out she is dead because she let her desire to be powerful again draw her into the clutches of Cthulhu?s younger half sister? That is disgusting. She deserved better than that, better than being dredged up as puzzle pieces of a nightmare so Luke has to kill her. Yeah, I hated that.

    Other than that, there was much to like in this book, from Tahiri, so shocked of what she had become, to Daala, wanting so very much to be better than she is? In fact, Daala was really shining here. She?s the head of a democratic ? what passes for democratic in the GFFA ? government, and wants to play by the rules. But she was raised in a dictatorship, on those rules, and that is how her social awareness and skills play. She can?t escape that and the solutions she turns to make clear that she isn?t past her socialisation as an Imperial soldier. Not by any means.

    I also jumped with glee at Jaina breaking up with Jag. Hopefully, that is the end of IWoD. ONE Skywalker to finally make the right choice between personal and important. Take that, Ani.^^ The curse is broken. Maybe. *g* For the rest, I found the Sith and Luke plot surprisingly weak. It wasn?t bad or boring, just? not extremely memorable. Coruscant was the real drama.

    As for Abeloth? *grins* No, we have not seen the last of her. Either she comes back, or we learn that she?s only the first of the Elder beings that will come back now. Or whatever. So no, I?m not disappointed or surprised at that plotthread seemingly ending so quickly. No way this is over. No way.

    So, this book certainly drives the plot forward, and into an interesting new direction to end with everything poised on the brink where it can go any way.

    So, 7.5/10.
     
  5. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Average score: 381.35/59 = 6.46
     
  6. Stymi

    Stymi Force Ghost star 4

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    Oh no!

    Realized I never posted a review for this book.

    I have continued to like the series. I just enjoy the further adventures of Luke...and son.

    My ratings for this series have seemed to dip some from the earlier books.

    8.5
     
  7. Lane_Winree

    Lane_Winree Jedi Master star 4

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    While I don't have time to do a full in-depth review, I will say this.

    For a second-leg novel, this isn't bad. It does the best it can with a shaky premise. The prose is a bit wonky at times, but I do wonder if that's more due to the fact I'm not all that used to reading in third-person omniscient. Something I do enjoy about Golden is that she can write some rather compelling characters, which is something that has been lacking in the post RotJ EU lately from authors not named Aaron Allston.

    In regards to the editorial issues, I guess I simply wasn't bothered by them as much as everyone else. Misspelling "Durron" isn't enough to warrant frothy rage from me.

    Overall, I enjoyed this book. It was understated, which is a nice change of pace from the usual over-the-top action and angst for the sake of action and angst we've seen since Dark Nest. Allies is a flawed but ultimately compelling novel.

    7.6/10
     
  8. rhonderoo

    rhonderoo Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It looks like I didn't review Allies, and I thought I did. So I went back and re-read it.

    I give this one a solid 9/10. Editing and grammar kept it from being a 10. Maybe it's because I re-read it after Vortex, or maybe it's because I was so refreshed by some decent characterization, but this book kept me interested in the characters from start to finish. Han, Leia and Allan were toned down, as were the other train wrecks from Vortex, although the trial is a fiasco in terms of planning, and re-reading this book only served to highlight that fact. I'm looking forward to reading more from Golden, although I don't think this ill-conceived series does her justice. Hopefully she'll get some one or two-off books in the SW galaxy.
     
  9. xoubara

    xoubara Jedi Master star 2

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    Well, she is writing a short story about Vestara for Insider.
     
  10. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Average score: 406.45/62 = 6.56
     
  11. PadmeA_Panties

    PadmeA_Panties Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Where to begin? The ridiculous plot? The obvious 'novel length requirements'? or the childish prose?

    I guess I'll start with the Childish prose:

    Ex. 1: Ben asks somebody a question (I forget exactly who, either Vestara or Luke or Kelkad or somebody similar), they reply with an answer. Immediately after the quotation mark we get: And Ben had his answer, but it wasn't the answer [he]/[she]/[it] gave him.

    End chapter.

    *sigh*

    Ex. 2: Although the ysalimari blocked force usage near the patients, Cilghal used it now to calm herself.

    It is then followed by how Cilghhal is working on the patients. So are we to assume that one sentence prior to the rest of the paragraph occured before she got near the ysalimari/patients or that Cilghal is just that bad***? The following paragraphs go on and on discussing her and her aide Vaal and how they've been working on the patients. Not a single mention of Tekli. Cilghal says they'll start with Saar (this is at the end when the patients are "healed")... so who does the tapping on the door? Tekli. Where TF did you come from Tekli? Were you just silently there being all Chadra-Fan until Cilghal needed some tapping? Then not to be mentioned again for the duration of this perspective?

    Not childish prose - but bad prose/writing; the battle scenes/etc, are so bad. The Dyon Stad/Abeloth ending with Luke was about as completely mangled and not clear at all. Dyon is stabbed by Luke who recognizes that Dyon = Abeloth. So then Christie mentions how Dyon is breathing and Abeloth came off. But that Abeloth is dead, but Dyon is now at a different spot breathing hard but alive. So, how is Dyon/Abeloth in basically 3 different locations when they were "ontop of each other in a bad parody of lovers" ? So that would be 1(2?) location now 3 locations with 1 dead and 1 breathing hard and them somehow switching bodies basically.... *scratches head*

    This just made me think of the scene immediately after it with Jaina vs. Ship and again bad childish prose. "Jaina didn't have breath to answer, taking the StealthX into a roll that brought it underneath the spherical vessel, where it didn't have suddenly sprouted cannons there, and launching a valley of torpedoes. [new paragraph] Except now it did have suddenly sprouted cannons there, and they were firing."

    *face_palm*

    There is a lot of this as well, as well as people knowing everything despite never mentioning it onscreen how they would, and the over usage of direct names. Dyon runs off, and Khai who knows basically nothing of him, says "We shall follow Dyon!" Not, "We will follow him" or "Let's follow him" or something to that affect.


    Plot.
    Well, we're basically admitting that Daala is trying to be Empire V2.0 and its stupid as all hell and completely incompetent. Say America had a force/branch of civilian military (look at those fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq) that was magical and used light swords... and had a large base (Temple let's call it, so it has religious overtones) ... and you as President, don't like what they are doing... so you decide to use another civilian military group to lay siege to this temple/base.... how will the people of America feel about this? Is it even legally allowed? Is there no senate or group (say a judicial group?) that can say/affect this in anyway? Or as President do you have complete control over your "Alliance" err Republic?

    I both loathe and like the 'Sword of the Jedi' but its ridiculous how such a throw-away line from Destiny's Way gets such importance and that even Ship and Sith are fully aware of this moniker when despite the entirety of NJO (sans of course the line in Destiny's Way) and the first 7 novels of LOTF its never mentioned or utilized.

    I also love how Luke and Ben and others (Jaina/Lando/Han & Leia) refer to the new Sith group as "The Lost Tribe" yet their not aware of their capabilities and are constantly overestimating them... 1) how do you know the "Lost" portion? 2) does that not give you some form of indicator?

    The Klatooine mess. I both love/hate this portion of the novel. As
     
  12. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Average score: 408.45/63 = 6.48
     
  13. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Loving Tyrant of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Christie Golden's second entry in FOTJ is quite longer than her first, but it seems that length does not play that big a factor in the quality of her works. It was good for the most part, but it was sorely lacking in certain areas, and I'm not talking about spelling errors. :p

    I will say this, a lot happened in this book and many characters got good face time. That being said I liked the focus on characterization throughout this novel. Mostly with Ben and Vestara, but also with Luke to an extent, especially towards the end. He's beginning to realise that Abeloth has a particular interest in him, almost a personal vendetta against him. This becomes all the more apparent when she appears to him as Callista. Throughout she has been coming to him and manipulating him, but he just believed it was Mara's spirit. During their confrontation Luke comes to understand just how powerful Abby really is. She can absorb the consciousnesses of other beings and take them as her own, while at the same time containing those beings' personalities so as to manipulate others, in this case Luke. Once he learns this he is easily able to defeat her, apparently freeing the crazy Jedi from her grip. As for Ben and Vestara, I think their relationship is handled pretty realistically; Ben is obviously attracted to her but wary all the while, especially after he learns of what she was planning with her father, who IMO is pretty creepy concerning his daughter. Goading her to manipulate Ben's feelings is one thing but asking her if she had slept with him was a bit much. [face_sick] I also like that she's not so easily swayed to Luke and Ben's side, despite her attraction to the latter. If she had a weak personality she would abandon her Sith ideals and go to the light side. Poor Dyon, not only was his last name repeatedly misspelled but he also suffered so much in this book. He was seduced by Abby and nearly had his soul stolen from him, probably in the same manner Callista was absorbed by Abby. Wynn Dorvan continues to intrigue me regarding his motivations and Raynar Thul continues to remind us all that he is badass. Not even dozens of Mandos can stop him from pleasurably eating lunch in his favorite spot. It seems the pressure of leading the Jedi in these troublesome times is starting to eat away at Kenth. He seems to be losing support from the other masters, but I guess that bodes poorly for them as well, since it makes it apparent that they can't organise themselves well without Luke to guide them.

    I think Golden writes these Sith the best, considering she introduced them. I was worried during the bit with the Fountain of Ancients that they would try to destroy it for destruction's sake, but instead they just tried to take samples from it. Despicable, but practical, unlike the lead Mando who just screams "Look at me! I'm so evil!". These Sith also go against some of Luke's preconceptions about the Sith at times. The mere fact that they suggest an alliance with him and actually uphold it shows once again that they may be bad guys, but they are quite practical. In the Coruscant parts Daala presents herself as a different kind of villain, and Bwua'tu points this out; she is seemingly well-intentioned, yet her approach toward reaching her goals are far from the best ways of doing so. At least the loathsome Javis Tyrr got what was coming to him by her hand.

    So this book is quite a bit longer than Omen, yet it still doesn't hold itself together well. The parts on Coruscant being the worst. Sure the story flowed well enough, but some parts were stretched out too much. It seems that Golden simply has issues with pacing. Too quick in Omen and too slow in Allies. I almost wonder if she has any mid-ground, but I cannot say since these are the only books of hers I have read. Also I feel Jaina was shoehorned into the bit in the Maw. I don't like that the authors can't decide what to do with her. At this point I'm quite indifferent about what happens between her and Jag. I can't really comment about Han Leia and Allana since they barely appeared,
     
  14. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Average score: 415.95/64 = 6.50
     
  15. EmpressJainaSoloFel

    EmpressJainaSoloFel Jedi Knight star 2

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  16. The_Forgotten_Jedi

    The_Forgotten_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    8/10

    -1 for the numerous spelling errors that could have been fixed for the paperback.

    -.5 for the whole Shul Vaal - Tekli mess-up

    -.5 for the for some wonky dialogue and phrasing and minor other issues

    Didn't really have a problem with the plot itself, and I continue to like how Golden handles the characters she created herself. She still has some trouble with some pre-existing characters. She got Kenth Hamner though. I continue to enjoy the Tahiri trial scenes, espically the acknowledgement that she is, in fact, guilty. And Lando = awesome as always.
     
  17. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Average score: 423.95/65 = 6.52
     
  18. RebelJoseWales

    RebelJoseWales Jedi Master star 3

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    If the Fate of the Jedi series was merely bad, it wouldn't bother me nearly as much as it does. But it isn't merely bad. It's a disappointment. In the case of the Allston and Denning books, it's because both authors have written not only good books, but very good books. I know that they're better than this. In the case of the Golden books, it's because (in contrast to the constant throw-the-book-against-a-wall, KJA-style contempt for logic, plausibility, or internal consistency of the other books) her entries are marked by what should be compelling plot points, good continuity, and a few truly entertaining scenes ruined by bad presentation.

    Execution is everything, and while Golden seems to be full of good ideas and good plots, her actual writing is incredibly shoddy. Maybe it's because her pace of writing leads her to rush through things (judging by her "Also by..." page, she churns out tie-in fiction like nobody's business), maybe it's because she has bad editors, or maybe she's just a good plotter but bad storyteller. Some of the blame almost certainly lies in the three-by-three series format. Whatever the reason, she managed to take an extremely promising story and produce melodramatic bad sci-fi.

    *The effect was probably exacerbated by the fact that Backlash ended on a cliff-hanger that Allies picked up mid-scene, but Ben Skywalker went from being wary and distrustful of Vestara Khai to completely infatuated in about a second flat.

    *This is the first example of a good idea ruined by bad execution in this book. Although it comes off as at least a slight retread of the Luke and Mara romance, it could have worked, given the "dark reflection" that Vestara presents of Ben. Both scions of powerful Force-users, both apprentices, both smart and competent. However, it gets zero development, but rather jumps straight from "no relationship" to "puppy love". It's jarring and it just doesn't work.

    *Speaking of Ben's characterization, he remains a dumbass punk. I'm going to keep bitching about that every time he's characterized as a dumbass punk in one of these books.

    *Golden actually manages to make Allana almost likeable.

    *Likewise, characterization of Kenth Hamner is actually very good, and the tension between him and the rest of the council is presented in a way that feels natural and avoids making either party look like morons or jackasses.

    *Daala's characterization is also much better than in previous books, with her motivations and plans presented in a way that feels both natural and intelligent. When it comes to strategic and tactical competence, however, she still remains in a league with Ezekyle Abaddon, so Golden is actually more consistent with Daala's original character than Denning or Allston.

    *However, Daala in this book really appreciates no-nonsense advice from her subordinates, because she appreciates those willing to tell her the hard truths. After all, it's not as if she once sadistically executed one of her junior officers by spacing him in a vac suit to be burned alive on atmospheric entry, patching his suit comm into the PA system of her ship to terrorize the rest of her subordinates, just because the man had pointed out (truthfully) that she slept her way to her command.

    *Oh, wait...

    *Thanks for reminding me that Darkmeld existed. Since there was a big gap between the time I read Abyss and forced myself to continue this series, I'd totally forgotten about it. Therefore, I didn't notice when Allston totally forgot about it too.

    *Wait, never mind. Darkmeld gets name-dropped once, then Golden forgets that it exists too.

    *The parts of the book covering the reporters are another bad example of a good idea. The fact that there are different news programs giving conflicting spins on events gives a bit of veracity to the PR battles of the Coruscant plotline, and the developing political situation in the Galaxy. However, Golden presents these scenes in an annoyingly preachy way by having one set of reporters be perfect moral ex
     
  19. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Average score: 429.95/66 = 6.51