BTS The Jedi clothing / hairstyle thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by CobaltBlue, Nov 24, 2012.

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  1. CobaltBlue Jedi Padawan

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    One of the things which changed most between the trilogies is the idea of the Jedi. During the original trilogy, Luke's costume in RotJ was what a Jedi wore. The Jedi were more mysterious, and more subtle. Creeping around with hoods up, using mind tricks, and so on.

    For Episode I, Lucas intended to continue with this. Here is some concept art of what the Jedi were going to look like:

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    Then Lucas decided that he wanted the Jedi to be instantly recognisable to viewers, and so made them look like Ben Kenobi in the original trilogy. The effect of this is to make old Ben look even more ridiculous in A New Hope; even though he's supposed to be hiding from the empire, he changes only his first name, and still wears his Jedi robes for twenty years.

    The Jedi in the prequels are also conceptually different. They are more similar to (superpowered) warrior monks, whereas in the OT they were sly wizards and then swashbucklers. In the OT the Jedi were also uber-confident - note Luke and Ben's supreme calmness even facing certain death, and even telling their enemies of their own imminent demise. In the prequels, the Jedi are perhaps more human in their emotions, showing anger, surprise and panic.
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  2. Paparazzo Jedi Grand Master

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    What film were those made for?
  3. King Terak Jedi Master

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    Looks like TPM/AOTC.
    I look at the Jedi Knight/Master in those drawings and instantly think of Vos.
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  4. CobaltBlue Jedi Padawan

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    They were done by Doug Chiang during pre-production of Episode I.
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  5. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    I think the notion is that the Jedi—some of them, anyway—wear peasant robes.
  6. CobaltBlue Jedi Padawan

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    That was an explanation thought up for the Episode I visual dictionary to explain why the Jedi all dressed like Tatooine residents.
  7. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    Ah. Wouldn't that suggest, then, that peasants on other planets wear similar garbs? We haven't seen any non-Tatooine peasant AFAIK.
  8. CobaltBlue Jedi Padawan

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    I think the idea of peasants in the Star Wars universe is more OT than PT, what with the 50's diner and Coruscant and so on.

    The Jedi wearing peasant robes isn't a bad idea, the samurai did the same. But the original idea is quite fascinating.
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  9. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    As an aside, I'm not entirely sure that you're right in suggesting that dressing the Jedi in ANH Obi-Wan robes is a PT thing. Yoda wears similar robes in ESB, as does Anakin in the Force ghost vision at the end of ROTJ.

    But I agree that having the Jedi dress like Luke in ROTJ is very interesting.
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  10. -NaTaLie- Force Ghost

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    Yes, they were going for consistency. There was more variety in the PT robes anyway (Aayla Secura, Luminara Unduli from the movies, Ahsoka from TCW).

    It's interesting Obi-Wan here has a Japanese look to him. Going back to GL's wish to hire a Japanese actor to play Kenobi in ANH?

    The green alien is also present. George likes to recycle his old ideas.
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  11. Darth_Nub Saga, Classic Trilogy and Film Music Manager

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    Never seen this one before - it's obviously for AOTC, whereas the others are for TPM - but I would have thought that particular costume design had been ditched completely by the time any artwork was being done for AOTC. Or was this scenario already in the works before TPM was being shot?

    Where's it from, and is there a date?
  12. Darth_Nub Saga, Classic Trilogy and Film Music Manager

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    Incidentally, there's a bit of discussion regarding the Jedi uniform on the first page of this thread:
    http://boards.theforce.net/threads/...-to-the-temp-episode-numbers-thread.50003201/

    Also this one from a couple of years ago (image links not working, plus the thread's locked):
    http://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-jedi-uniform.31225007/

    It was also discussed on the temp boards, there were some great pictures of the earlier designs for Luke's outfit in ROTJ, will cut & paste some of it in this thread when I find them.
  13. Darth_Nub Saga, Classic Trilogy and Film Music Manager

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    From ATMachine's archive thread, here's the posts relevant to discussing the Jedi outfit:

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  14. Darth_Nub Saga, Classic Trilogy and Film Music Manager

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  17. -NaTaLie- Force Ghost

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    I like the idea of the Jedi body armor (makes since, since they're a blend of the Samurai and medieval knights).

    I think the black should have been reserved for Anakin (and it mirrors Luke's progression through the OT). But other than that, cool designs and I hope they're going to be recycled in ST.
  18. Alexrd Force Ghost

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    And Ben and Yoda's as well.

    I'm not sure where that comes from. Although they seem to be portrayed that way in TPM as well.

    Or maybe Ben is actually wearing Jedi robes.

    As was said on this thread, Jedi robes are a symbol of their humility, as they are supposed to look like the more basic and common robes worn by the poor and simple people.

    Source? The Jedi were always (both in the OT and PT) portrayed as warrior monks. The difference being that in the prequels they were in their prime, and thus have a more active role.

    Did Qui-Gon, Yoda, and the like shown all those emotions? Or just Anakin? And why forget Luke's emotional reactions?
  19. -NaTaLie- Force Ghost

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    Or even AOTC (Obi-Wan's investigation).

    Did Qui-Gon, Yoda, and the like shown all those emotions? Or just Anakin? And why forget Luke's emotional reactions?[/quote]

    When TPM came out, folks complained the Jedi were too reserved.
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  20. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Yeah, was about to mention Obi-Wan. Dude spends like the enter center act sneaking around.
  21. -NaTaLie- Force Ghost

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    Reminiscent of his sneaking around in Death Star.
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    Yeah. I like the whole Jedi sneaking around thing, personally. It's alot more effective, when you consider the evidence:

    Jedi accomplishment when not sneaking around:
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    Jedi accomplishment when sneaking around:

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  23. Yunners Force Ghost

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    I think Obi-Wan's sleuthing was one of the shining moments of Episode II. It was very old school. Very Maltese falcon.
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  24. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Well, beyond the puzzling lack of flying bug men in The Maltese Falcon, sure.
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  25. -NaTaLie- Force Ghost

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    To be fair, the Jedi in the OT don't have much choice but sneak around, being the hunted group. Ironically, it doesn't end well for Obi-Wan on the Death Star or even for Luke on the Cloud City. Only when Luke comes out in the open he gets a chance to set things straight.

    As for the old Order, they're the keepers of the peace. Which means they need to investigate suspicious activity (here's your sneaking around) and keep various entities in line (using "aggressive negotiations" when necessary). The Jedi in TPM do both of these things. It's when they're forced into an unfamiliar role of the military leaders things start to fall apart.
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