Speculation The Jedi in the Sequel Trilogy

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by LawJedi, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. Marc McAllister Jedi Master

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    I think GL is lying about his inspiration being Roman history, i believe he has a system where he bases SW on real years in history, in the exact same way that "Darkside of the moon" and "The Wizard of Oz" synch, TPM and 1910 ROTS synch's with 1922, Rotj synch's with 1945. I believe so anyway. Unlike Karl Marx i believe there is such a thing as "Pure" Socialism, giving people want they want, what you promised, what they paid for. My "wizard of oz" system extends to the EU as well, how can Jacen kidnapping Allana not be "Argo" and Ben shooting Der Gejjen not be the assassination of Anwar Saddat, the math works the same thing happens in, transposed, what would be the same timeline. Ia come from West Belfast the Empire doesn't let us have jobs or get ahead, there are to this days soldiers, not police, but english soldiers with machine guns and tanks and barricades, forts etc, we are under martial law still, and our community believes if we share with each other we will have enough, and it works because we play as a team. I should have said "Socialism can work if you are Corellian, or dirt poor from tattooine because you have nothing so you may as well share what little you do have with the many, rather than sharing with a select few or with no-one".
  2. Vthuil Force Ghost

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    Why on earth are you bothering to debate this guy?
  3. Darth kRud Jedi Grand Master

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    Fabian socialism is a sort of elitist 'we know better' system based in political reforms rather than workers revolution to achieve communism. Marx (actual socialism) thought of socialism as the transitional stage before communism where industry/distribution would be taken from capitalists and placed under the states control until the social conditions were right (no more capitalists around) to give workers control of industry/distribution (communism). Actual socialism proper, like communism, has never really existed (Russia/China= mostly state capitalism). Marx wrote that the pre-conditions for socialism were to be found in an advanced capitalist society that had gone through a phase of liberal or bourgeois representative democracy under enlightenment values. Socialism is the period where workers and the state take over advanced industry/distribution- two things that didn't exist in Russia in 1917 or in Mao's China nor did any form of liberal democracy. What we saw in Russia/China was elitist "communists" skipping the democratic capitalist phase of production in an attempt to build "socialism" in economically and socially backwards nations. They used "socialism" to industrialize undeveloped nations when all along Marx said this was capitalisms job. Not only did they do that but the populations of those nations weren't socially prepared to run the economies themselves. This is why Marx thought a long period where workers lived under capitalist democracy was necessary. Compare the mind frame of workers in 1950's America to that of workers in China ion 1950. As was the case in Russia in 1917 workers in China in 1950 were mostly peasants who would have no idea how to democratically run an industrial economy because they didn't really have an industrial economy at the time nor any semblance of democracy - in that sense they (Lenin/Mao) NEEDED "autocracy and authoritarianism" in order to pre-maturely force socialism on the population. That's what Lenin did and that's what Mao did. I think the argument can be made that Russia achieved a strange form of socialism around Stalins death and maybe in China from 1980-1990 but if actual socialism orthe latter goal of communism is going to manifest Marx thought it would be in western Europe (Germany/France/Italy/Spain/England) or in the USA where workers, the economy and overall societies were more advanced and it would come at the demand of workers not some Lenin or Mao characters. Star Wars!
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  4. Jedi General Gelderd Force Ghost

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    Well I can't really go into anything as heavy as you posters above sadly, but all I'll say is I hope to see some unification / re-building of the Jedi Order, but I don't fancy a story in which the Jedi are again ousted as being the "bad guys". Let's home some major Jedi love!
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  5. fenton Force Ghost

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    Luke isn't a fully trained Jedi, and he left early. Who knows how long Yoda would have wanted him to stay and train if he hadn't run off to help Han and Leia.

    No its not a bad thing at all, it only lead to the downfall of the Jedi order and the return of hte Sith Empire.........

    So a bunch of super powered people running around doing what they see see fit? Ya, thats the responsible way to do things.

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  6. DARTH_BELO Force Ghost

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    I think things like avoiding greed and jealousy and hatred can still be achieved even if someone DOES have attachments. it's simply training them in discipline. if someone is disciplined, they can train themselves to be responsible and avoid those things. that's why I think having the Jedi Be able to be married or have children/families would not be a bad thing. in fact it could even be a good thing-it would instill a sense of love, dedication, and purpose into their existence-rather than only things like sacrifice and doing without. Love and loyalty can in and of itself be a source of strength and will, and motivate dedication.

    I would imagine those kinds of things would come more naturally than constant restraint and giving up things Throughout a Jedi's life
  7. Anakin's Daddy Force Ghost

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    I think it would be great if right from the beginning, both Luke and Leia have kids in their 20's who are the main characters of the trilogy. Luke is at the head, with Leia in second, and then there are many other padawans that they are training from around the galaxy, perhaps a few could have achieved knighthood by now.
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  8. DARTH_BELO Force Ghost

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    Agreed. over the course of 30 or 40 years, there's no reason that a Jedi Padawan wouldn't be able to at least achieve knighthood in half that time in about 20 years or so. sure, they won't all be masters-theyll be at different levels of skill and knowledge-but I'm sure after 30 or 40 years, Even if they didn't start training new Jedi right away and waited several years, it could still work...

    sure there wouldn't be thousands, but there could easily be hundreds.
  9. Anakin's Daddy Force Ghost

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    Yeah I think that there could be hundreds. It's a huge galaxy. One thing that I really want to know is could there have been any force users or "Would-be-Jedi" in hiding during the whole OT that Luke will have welcomed into the order?
  10. GODLIKE Jedi Padawan

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    should the new jedi be more powerful because the force is balance maybe we the super saiyan version of jedi lol
  11. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    Maybe the Jedi will be so powerful that they can fly in space and fire lasers out of their mouths!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  12. GODLIKE Jedi Padawan

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    great idea
  13. Jcuk Force Ghost

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    What about the idea that after the battle of Endor, Luke disappears to establish a New Jedi order in secret and only a select few are aware of what he is doing. Totally separate from the New Republic of which Leia is left to control and rebuild. From there things become a little hazy, buts it a good starting point. IMO
  14. MazzMcK Jedi Youngling

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    I think they'll have them marry and have kids etc. I felt I could relate to them more. Besides the non-attachment, single life thing didn't really work out for the PT Jedi, I found them cold and un-relatable. Also I never found taking children from their families very healthy and sure to result in arrested development.
  15. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    But I love that show!:(
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  16. bluemilkcheesypuffs77 Jedi Master

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    Completely off topic but do you guys think PrincessKenobi is a chick? If so, what kind of rating?? I'm going to go with smoking hot
  17. fishtailsam Force Ghost

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    I just read the last two pages...

    I too feel we should speculate on the hotness of other JCF members.
    I speculate @bluemilkcheesypuffs77 to be 57% Hot.
  18. A Chorus of Disapproval New Films Riot Deterrent

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    Let's not.

    Stick to objectifying actors & actresses and basing their personal worth on things as insipid as their weight.

    Actually, let's not do that, either.

    Sonja is all woman, just for the record.
  19. Darthsuggs Force Ghost

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    I think the Order should have been rebuilt but I also would like to see it based on another planet. Yavin would be fine. More natural surroundings and such.
  20. A Chorus of Disapproval New Films Riot Deterrent

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    All of the nedless chatter on here about "should the Jedi be allowed to marry" and other such 'updates' on the Jedi Code has me thinking that now what I think would be amazing is: In the ST, Luke implements all of the changes that people apparently are so interested in seeing, and then everything goes wrong because of the new code. The trilogy after that can be about how there shouldn't be a Jedi Code at all. Then, there is truly chaos, so the trilogy after that is how there shouldn't be any Jedi.

    Take it from me: Being married automatically erases problems such as jealousy. [face_dancing]
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  21. HankSolo Jedi Grand Master

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    Well said.
  22. GODLIKE Jedi Padawan

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    I don't think Luke was ready after ROTJ to start training people he was around the same age as Obi Want in TPM and Anakin in in ROTS they were a lot more experienced tho and still weren't truly ready to be masters. Luke becomes powerful really quickly because he was the son of the chosen one and was rigorously training day and night with the greatest jedi master. Just because Luke is powerful doesn't mean he has the knowledge/experience to train multiple students at one time let alone build an entire jedi order. He would probably take a few years to finish his own training before he takes an apprentice himself probably 3-4 apprentices at most. It takes those jedi 20-25 years to be fully trained before they take their own apprentices so now after 25 years you have 4 Jedi Knights and around 3 Jedi Padawans for each. In 40 years I think Luke might be just starting his Jedi order
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  23. Jcuk Force Ghost

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    That's exactly right. When people start talking about their being hundreds of Jedi I can't help but sigh and have nightmares (not literally lol) of Luke standing before a class of younglings like Yoda in AOTC. Shudder..wince..sucking on a lemon face
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  24. bluemilkcheesypuffs77 Jedi Master

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    Thanks fishtail, I reckon you're at leas 64%, possibly pushing 65% if you're wearing Jedi robes.
  25. Rebane Jedi Youngling

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    Personally, I really dislike the idea of a Jedi academy with tons of new Jedis running around. If I was Luke, the last thing I would want to do is restore imbalance to the force again. The Jedi IMO had succumbed to hubris when they populated the galaxy with their order. That kind of power should be wielded with extreme prejudice and could be the perfect internal struggle that Luke has to ultimately face. Should he pas the torch to only one apprentice or to many? Does he actually consider that dogma may have been their worst enemy?
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