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Solo The Kessel Run

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Anthology (Released Films)' started by darthOB1, Apr 29, 2017.

  1. darthOB1

    darthOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Then how does it equate speed with less distance?
     
  2. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    It has to do with finding the shortest route through it. There are numerous dangers throughout so you can't just go straight through it. Han with the best navicomputer was able to plot the shortest route than any other ship. Or something like that. :p
     
  3. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    Actually that TFA gag kind of makes the point that Han is the one constantly self-promoting the lower number 12 as opposed to the more likely real number 14.

    This goes so far as in the new novelizations of the OT:

    Canon sources conflict on the veracity of Solo's claim of the Millennium Falcon making the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. A New Hope: The Princess, the Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy describes the claim as a "lie" that the inexperienced Luke Skywalker is impressed with, but which the seasoned Obi-Wan Kenobi recognizes as nothing more than a boast. Return of the Jedi: Beware the Power of the Dark Side!, however, states in its narration that "Not every ship is created equal and the rebels have the ship that did the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs."

    So maybe he did it or maybe not.

    I don't quite see how it would work that well since it's about delivering and picking up shipments and constantly going in and out of hyperspace while making computations on the navi-computer. So the real story is working the navigation not the speed which is the same for everyone. It's about getting the distance down not racing faster over the same distance.
     
  4. darthOB1

    darthOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    But Han seemed to be referencing the Kessell Run as a measuring tool for its speed in ANH, wasn't he?
     
  5. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Totally agree. Though I also hope it's shorter than the pod racing sequence in TPM. :p
     
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  6. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm hoping that the kessel run thing turns out to be actually true. IMO considering Han's character arc from a scoundrel into a good person who cares about people other than himself throughout the OT, it would make more sense if he wasn't holding on to that lie for all those years. I imagine given the type of man he had become by the time of ROTJ or even TFA, he would have finally admitted to lying about such a major accomplishment, if it weren't true.
     
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  7. Gigoran Monk

    Gigoran Monk Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Agreed. Much shorter. Somehow I think that's the approach Lord and Miller would take.
     
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  8. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I wouldn't mind a scenario involving Han using the kessel run to escape from the antagonists in the story-or perhaps some other smugglers he might have swindled (cos there were still beings in the galaxy left for that at that point, most likely :p ), and they perhaps could have noticed he outran them by making it in less than 12 parsecs...and the rest would be history.

    I could see that working. Either way it would have to come late in the film, since it was done with the falcon, which presumably Han wouldn't have until later on in the story...?
     
  9. darthOB1

    darthOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I suppose we at least will see how Han won the falcon from Lando fair and square
     
  10. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    Actually it's about the time it took which is "speed" as such.

    Lightspeed is the same speed but if you can navigate a shorter route then you will be "faster".

    The Kessel Run would have to be a montage because it would take some time as you keep landing, loading, flying, landing, unloading flying etc.

    The whole point is that it's a smuggling route.

    What they could do is show a part of it that cuts down the distance like going through some crazily dangerous area but saves several parsecs.
     
  11. darthOB1

    darthOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Parces are measures of distance not time.
     
  12. Gigoran Monk

    Gigoran Monk Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Are the actual details of the Kessel Run canon?
     
  13. 11-4D

    11-4D Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Remember when the Kessel Run in twelve parsecs thing was just some bull**** made up by Han to impress Ben and Luke and not an actual convoluted thing?
    [​IMG]
     
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  14. darthOB1

    darthOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Wow then that misinformation somehow made its way through 30years across the galaxy in to to inqusite mind of Rey who got it slightly off by 2 parces? Hmmmm. Naaaaa.
     
  15. 11-4D

    11-4D Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    More like, made it through 40 years across the SW fanbase into the minds of fans, JJ included.
     
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  16. darthOB1

    darthOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Lol. Doesn't matter. The fact is it's canon now. Its clear the legend of the MF doing the Kessell Run in 12 parsecs is NOW not misinformation but fact!
     
  17. 11-4D

    11-4D Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah? Never said otherwise. It's still a retcon based on misunderstanding the purpose of Han's line, and I hope this movie will reference it as part of its original intent.
     
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  18. darthOB1

    darthOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    My bad. I though you were arguing the thought that The goal wasn't shorter distance.
    Oh wait now I'm confused...


    Nevermind
     
  19. themoth

    themoth Jedi Master star 4

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    I like it more that the Kessell Run achievement is true. Han may lie and cheat, but he can achieve the impossible. The Kessell Run is his big badge of honor.
     
  20. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    Yeah, at least it was until he helped blow up a Death Star by ambushing a Sith Lord and a TIE fighter formation with a tramp freighter. That'd be worth major bragging rights... if anybody believed it was possible.
     
  21. themoth

    themoth Jedi Master star 4

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    The Kessell Run was such a big deal Rey was talking about it in TFA. It has become folklore.
     
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  22. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    Nothing slight about it.

    The point is that Han is the one who has to "correct" it while the story being told is about the actual number. Now the point from TFA is that the Falcon did make it quicker than anyone else did but Han enhanced it.

    At a number that Han doesn't want it to be.

    He got the record but wants a lower number.
     
  23. fishtailsam

    fishtailsam Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yes, If Han is to be believed, then he flew in a straighter line than anyone else. Which often times means that it was faster.
    However, This could mean that he didn't actually have the fastest time, just the shortest journey. [face_thinking]



    I'm not sure. Another good question, "Is the Kessel run a hyperspace journey or is it something that must be made in real-space or a combo?"
     
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  24. CrazyOldJedi

    CrazyOldJedi Force Ghost star 6

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    Twelve parsecs is about 40 light years. If we are being technical about it then Han merely worked out the shortest distance between two or more points. Providing he kept the amount of Hyperspace jumps to a minimum he would have cut the Kessel Run to the shortest distance and presumably the quickest time. Remember that in Hyperspace obstacles don't just disappear;

    Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova...
     
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  25. fishtailsam

    fishtailsam Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Its a lot like barrel racing (the female rodeo event) now that I think about it.
    Yes, you want to go fast on the straight-aways, but you also need to be efficient around the turns.
     
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