Awards The late-2002/early-2003 Fanfiction Awards Ceremony --- Discussion in progress.

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  1. LadyPadme Manager Emeritus

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    Are nominations and votes all going to be in-thread or by PM?

    Sighs...we went through this the last time we discussed the WFFA...

    This is just my two cents on this topic, and I won't whine if others don't agree, but I still think actual votes at least should be by PM. My reasoning is that it really is demoralizing if your fic gets a very very low vote count. It's bad enough to know that you didn't win but why also be beat up on the head that you barely got voted for? (Sort of related case in point, Dantana's post in this thread that she was nominated for several categories but barely placed in any of them--this was why I felt only winners should be announced. If eight other fics in a category beside your own didn't win, at least you could console yourself with 'maybe I was second place')

    Anyway, again this is not a big deal in that as CYNICAL says you still have to dig into your pockets to get a cup of coffee at Starbucks even if you win. It's just that it can be really demoralizing for sensitive authors to see their beloved fic beat into the dirt, so I suggest at least votes by PM.

  2. Melyanna Jedi Master

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    Jul 19, 2001
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    This is just my two cents on this topic, and I won't whine if others don't agree, but I still think actual votes at least should be by PM. My reasoning is that it really is demoralizing if your fic gets a very very low vote count. It's bad enough to know that you didn't win but why also be beat up on the head that you barely got voted for?

    I completely agree with you there. Last summer I had all nominations public, but all voting private. I know someone earlier (think it was Aunecah) suggested that we have some kind of sock that's opened up to the public afterward - I was told last year that that's not allowed. So the compromise we came up with was to have the votes all sent to someone who didn't have any stories nominated, and then that person sent it to seven or eight people who counted the votes and reported back to Pallas-Athena with the results.

    (Incidentally, I really don't want to be involved with vote counting. I just feel funny knowing how everyone voted, even if my stories aren't up for anything. It's kind of like seeing how much everyone at church puts in the contribution - I just don't want to know.)

    I liked the public nominations, because counting the nominations was much more complicated than just counting the votes, and it was nice to not have to sift through endless PMs to get to all of that. (By the way, I ran it with top five made it to voting, but in the case of a tie for fifth, it had to get at least two nomiinations.) Plus, I made a mistake with one story, and someone was kind enough to point it out to me so I could correct it. The need for public disclosure in the votes was countered by having the votes counted by several different people, I hope.

    (Sort of related case in point, Dantana's post in this thread that she was nominated for several categories but barely placed in any of them--this was why I felt only winners should be announced. If eight other fics in a category beside your own didn't win, at least you could console yourself with 'maybe I was second place')

    Absolutely. I was kind of surprised that all that information was posted - it just didn't seem like the best of decisions, in my opinion. I was especially concerned about the categories where there was only one story not listed. That's just not... well, for lack of a better word, polite. Nobody wants to know they came in dead last, even if it is a second round.
  3. Kit' Manager Emeritus

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    Oct 30, 1999
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    Thankyou everyone :) It seems much calmer in here now :) I appreciate it.

    I'd just like to restress the idea that whoever hosts counts themselves inelligable to win. Either that or they have no current fics on the board. It's always seemed odd to me in every award show we've ever had, that the host can win too.

    I don't want to see a list of winners and nothing more. Maybe just draw it out for a couple of days/hours - let the winners be congratulated and then move on. I think the person who did them before Melyanna (Jeff42?) did his awards over a couple of days too.

    Also, from memory one host only posted the winners but then PM'd those whoed come second just to let them know. It was nice because although it wasn't a public announcement, but you knew. I liked that.

    Kithera

    Edit: Do not post while sleeping.
  4. Jane Jinn Jedi Grand Master

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    Jan 12, 2000
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    The decision to reveal not only the winner, but also the first two runners-up, was probably due to me, and I apologize for all the pain it has caused. I was not nominated and had no part in the awards, but one day, out of sheer curiosity, I put up a poll asking what people wanted to see at the awards, ranging from "just the winners" to every fic listed with the number of votes received. The vast majority of people chose the option of winners and runners-up. Amidala_Skywalker probably based her decision to include this information on the results of this poll. I guess I shouldn't have done that. :(

    I really felt for DantanaSkywalker and everyone else who was nominated but didn't win. I remember that I went through the same thing during the Winter 2000 awards and it was really painful at the time. My condolences to all those who didn't get enough votes. I know from personal experience that it isn't because you don't write well.

  5. Dantana Skywalker Manager Emeritus

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    Apr 7, 2002
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    Yeah, you could say it sucked knowing I came in dead last. Made me feel REEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL great about myself. [face_plain]

    I think only the winners should be announced. And that's why I think a poll type thing should be used, instead of PMs. What if the system loses a PM? It's been known to do that, believe me. But the poll should be closed results, not released during or after until the awards.

    LP I didn't place in ANY of them, btw. I didn't even get third. I would have prefered not knowing that.

    Dana
  6. Kit' Manager Emeritus

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    Oct 30, 1999
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    I'd rather not have a poll. Could you imagine the accusations of sock voting? Unlike polls we can verify PM voting as being non-socky.

    Besides, wouldn't it be worse to see that you were coming last in a poll and by how much rather then just being announced as being the runners up. If just the winners are announced in future, that would surely be better.

    Kithera
  7. Dantana Skywalker Manager Emeritus

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    Apr 7, 2002
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    Isn't there an option to not show the results? There are polling places that allow only one vote per IP address. Someone would have to go through many, many computers to boost votes like that.

    I know a lot of people didn't want to vote because they didn't want to vote in EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY because there were way too many and they felt intimidated, and it was time consuming. A lot of use don't have that much time.

    Vote through PM if you think that's best. I dunno. Like I said, I'm not running it, so I probably should be the one to decide what gets done what way. Don't want to force someone to do something I wouldn't be capable to doing myself. I'm just trying to think of ways to make it easier and faster.

    I don't know if nominations should be public. How many nominations would get you in? That's the problem. People could get discouraged based on the fact that not enough people nominated them.

    Dana
  8. Kit' Manager Emeritus

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    Oct 30, 1999
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    Sorry, I thought you were talking about a poll on the boards. As far as I'm aware those polls are always public. Also with other internet polls - you don't need to change computers, just having a changing IP (which many networks/providors have) is enough to let you vote more then once.

    Dana, you're ideas are good and more over they are welcome. Just because you aren't going to host the awards doesn't mean you can't have imput.

    Kithera
  9. Dantana Skywalker Manager Emeritus

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    Apr 7, 2002
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    Yeah, rotating IPs suck. My family used to have one, and I'd be kicked out of chatrooms every hour so 'cause it'd suddenly change. VERY annoying.

    Okay, so it looks like the only way to weed out the socks is to do PM voting. That's reasonable.

    Someone here mentioned that this isn't the place to discuss this. Um. Okay. WHERE would the place to discuss this be? This is where the awards are held, why not discuss it here, where we have access to the last awards show?

    Off to write my Kyp fic.

    Dana
  10. Amidala_Skywalker Manager Emeritus

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    Jul 4, 2001
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    Phew, I?m glad tensions are calming down now. I was thinking about this discussion for most of the day, while I was torn away from my computer ;).

    I appreciate the two apologises I was given on AIM, and the same goes for those who expressed similar sentiments in this thread. To add to that, I would just like to say I?m sorry if anyone ever thought I would be biased in my modding, based on those I socialise with. I?m always going to try and be completely fair in whatever I do, but being human, I'm never going to be perfect. The Handmaidens are, simply phrased, a group of friends ? where I have the completely just-for-the-fun title of ?Empress? - who keep in contact with each other regularly. We?ve never tried to become a clique. Personally, I think we try to remain friendly and on good terms with everyone. I felt I needed to say that, despite getting off-topic in the process.

    I think I would miss the ceremony if we did decide to cut the event ? more so because it has become like a tradition to me. When I think of awards show, I always think of ceremony. However, I suppose if everyone agreed the ceremony is too much, I can settle for simply having the winners listed. When it comes down to it, nothing is exempt from change, despite the feeling of ?traditional? surrounding the matter.

    It?s a shame people were dissatisfied with the entertainment. The contributors did a good job on their humour pieces. On the other hand, when I?m not playing the host, I?m like a child on Christmas morning, eager to see the presents (or ?winners? outside of this scenario) and rip apart the wrapping paper in the process. What is the general census about the ?paragraph? idea? Should it be kept? I think some users were very grateful for the comments they received. If it decided that the paragraphs should be kept, I hope that when the next awards come around, they?ll be enough paragraphs for everything. That?s the thing that snagged me when I was formatting the ceremony. I wanted so much for everyone to have at least one.

    In regards the half a page of rules, I believe they were a good idea. They made sure everything was outlined clearly. I can see how they would be misinterpreted, but they also helped to solve any problems with nominating. I admit I made one or two rules strict (especially the ?do not harass awards staff? one), but after I saw how Mel was treated, I felt something had to be marked in the snow, so the past didn?t repeat itself.

    I did base my decision on what final information (winners, runner-ups, third place) on the poll Jane created. That poll was able to collect, in essence, the opinions of the majority, and it was a good idea. Nobody likes to hear that they lost, especially if they were in last place. The categories where one story was left without an award really disheartened me, too, but I couldn?t alter the votes and change the final standings. I do feel for those who didn?t get an award, despite being nominated in several categories. From this experience, we can learn and try to alter the procedure next time around.

    I don?t think a voting poll is something that should be used, either. There would be people claiming the ballot was filled with people shifting IPs and then voting again. I still believe in the benefits of PM voting (for example, you can vote anonymously using this system), but the second on my list would be public voting, with regular IP checks made by mods in case a sock or two slips through the cracks (not that I think many people would do this intentionally). Although, there is a downside ? people might not want their votes shown in public. I?ve known some people who will vote for nominees in their local magazine, and then refuse to breathe a word about who they chose for ten years.

    Just to reiterate what Kit said, everyone can participate and express their opinions. Dana, whoever mentioned to you that this isn?t the place to discuss the next awards (I think that?s what you meant) was probably indicating that a new thread should be created for this topic. On the upside, by using thi
  11. Sock_of_Darth_Vader Jedi Master

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    Dec 24, 2002
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    All I'm going to say is:
    Mely, you're a brave woman. Good luck!
  12. MyDebateSock Jedi Padawan

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    Feb 28, 2003
    Yet what you, and a couple of other posters, have insinuated here is that what I say off-site should be taken into consideration here. Kind of a double standard, don't you think? If what I say off-site is taken into consideration here, then certainly I should not have gotten a warning for bringing up what she said off-site.

    I never said she shouldn't be responsible for what she says off site either. I think that situation was dealt with wrongly. I don't disagree with you there.

    It's kind of difficult when one of the "people in question" is currently hiding behind a sock.

    I wear a sock to protect myself from flames and ad hominen attacks.

    MySock
  13. crystalrain Jedi Master

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    Jan 28, 2003
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    I'm glad to see things are calming down in here a bit. I'd like to give my opinion on a few issues here.

    1) The winter awards were not perfect - nothing can be - and they could possibly be improved upon (that's what this discussion is for, right?), but I feel that we're focusing on the negative too much here. Ams did a good job of running the awards and put an awful lot of time and effort into them - thankyou Ams. And congratulations to the authors who won awards - I'd hate it if this makes you feel that your awards are not valid - they are.

    2) I personally feel that votes need to be submitted by PM. It'd be very disheartening for an author to see their story - which they have probably worked hard on - getting next to no votes. These awards are meant to be fun and a happy occasion, so risking upsetting people like that is not worth it.

    3) Perhaps there should be less catqagories in the next awards. I think that some people were turned off from voting because of the number of catagories. If there were less catagories, it is probable that more stories would be nominated for each one, avoiding the situation we had this time where there were only 4 stories nominated and someone ended up feeling that there story wasn't any good because it got the least votes. Also, with less catagories the awards would be shorter - I think may people here felt that the winter awards went on too long.

    4) Entertainment: I'm not too bothered whether we have entertainment or not - I didn't find it annoying as some people seemed to - but then again I can understand if people were anxious to find out the results. Thankyou to everyone who provided entertainment - I thought it was all high quality stuff.

    5) I am a handmaiden and I was shocked by the strength of feeling aginst us I have seen displayed both here and off site - people I've never come into contact with have come out with some very negative comments regarding all the handmaidens, which were quite upsetting. It was nobodys intention to 'take over' the awards - most handmaidens are very involved in fanfiction, so it was natural for us to be there. I am generally a very accepting person and if I came across as 'cliquey' or made anyone feel left out, I'm really really sorry. I had no idea my comments could be interpreted that way. The handmaidens are just a social group of friends, like many other groups on the JC. I'm still the same person, handmaiden or no.
  14. dianethx Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Mar 1, 2002
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    I pretty much skipped the whole ceremony. It seemed too much like a clique fest (it didn't bother me) but it made the process boring to those not in the "loop".

    As for the awards, I would prefer that you just post the awards and have done with it. I liked that the winner and first two runner ups were posted. Hey, I didn't win or place in my catagory but I was just thrilled to be nominated.

    Now to timing. Most of what LadyPadme said was fine with me - with one exception. I would like 3 weeks for the voting to take place. It was really rough to read all of the nominations in those 2 weeks and, if real life gets in the way, almost impossible. I like to be thorough and I just couldn't read more than the excerpts in those 2 weeks.

    A big thank you to all those who put together the nominations, counting the votes and putting together the awards ceremony. Remember everyone that these are volunteers!!!!! They don't get paid to do this and deserve our heartfelt gratitude!!!

    Just my 2 cents.
  15. Herman Snerd Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Oct 31, 1999
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    I'd rather not have a poll. Could you imagine the accusations of sock voting? Unlike PM's we can verify poll voting (at least not to my knowledge).

    I think you might have had a mental edit problem in that last sentence. ;)


    Given the way the use of poll voting worked out in the recent JC Election, it's obvious that it's a terribly flawed system.

    For those who don't know what I'm talking about, a couple of months ago there was a (strictly for fun) JC Election. I believe there was even a separate forum for it.

    Basically people made political parties, campaigned, and at the end held an election.

    It just so happened that in the closing days, quite a few brand new usernames showed up and voted and in the end determined the winner. The obvious use of sock voting annoyed pretty much everyone involved and since cheating couldn't be conclusively proven, the results stood. However, it was pretty much agreed upon (from what I read in Comms) that poll voting is prone to abuse and that when voting needs to be done to determine winners and losers for forum games, an alternate system should be used.
  16. Sebulba2179 Force Ghost

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    Feb 5, 2002
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    Well, now that things have quieted down somewhat, I guess I'll jump in and mention something that hasn't been mentioned for a while: Yes, the awards are a bloody thankless job. Yes, we're all proving it with just about every post we make on this thread. Here, folks, is what we have all got to stop doing: take every aspect of this forum so seriously. Some authors have taken it too seriously when they busted out, some award "officials" (for lack of a better title) have taken it too seriously when their calls were challenged. Disappointment and bitterness are almost inevitable--unless some of us try to adopt a different perspective.

    Personally, I didn't win anything at the summer awards but took it in stride because I expected it to happen. (Ergo it was a damned pleasant surprise when I snagged one this time around. :D) And thereby hangs a tale. I realise it's not this easy for some people because it didn't used to be for me either, but here's MHO: if people don't expect a victory, then it'll be infinitely sweeter if they get one. Ya know? I mean, it's just an Internet awards show. if you don't win or you don't run-up, it's hardly going to change the course of your life (says he who gets all down in the dumps when nobody reads his updates :p).

    Here's an idea for the summer awards: What if we have different presenters for each award? What if Mel appoints somebody to give the award to the winner? I understand Darth Real Life may get in the way (as it is, I'm still locked in battle with him far beneath Khazad-Dum :p), but I think it'd be fun. The presenter could have as much fun giving the award. There may be a problem if said presenter is one of the bitter-type people who has a beef with the winner, but then again *points at first paragraph.*

    One final note: I'll admit to being one of the ones who's weary of all the 'handmaiden' business. This is probably because I was subjected to an extremely snooty comment from one of them when I made an innocent remark which I heard from somebody else. It does seem like they're everywhere, but if they let it be known that the "conquering the JC boards" idea is not to be taken seriously either, they'll probably have a lot less to worry about. Let's all have the fun that we came here to have, enjoy ourselves, enjoy each other and each other's writing, and not be so bitter. I've learned many lessons about bitterness from this forum which I hope can be passed on to newer writers than myself.
  17. InyriForge Force Ghost

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    Jan 24, 2002
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    I think the idea of having someone who is not currently writing fan fiction, but is still part of the community, to be in charge of the awards is probably the best way to go for cutting down on the amounts of accusations that awards shows are fixed. I doubt that these accusations will ever fully go away; there's always someone, somewhere, who will think they've been treated unfairly. I would ask that the people who feel that way take it up with those they think wronged them and notify a mod in private. When you publically accuse someone of something on this magnitude, you have called them a liar in front of possibly hundreds of people. Integrity and trust are very important, and threatening them can have dire consequences in the lives of everyone involved.

    I also think that, for the present moment, PM is the way to go for voting and nominations. I don't think that my votes should be seen by whoever wants to view them, nor do I want to hurt someone's feelings because I didn't vote for or nominate them.

    Here's an idea for the summer awards: What if we have different presenters for each award? What if Mel appoints somebody to give the award to the winner?

    I think that's a great idea. It would probably be best to have the presenter be someone who writes a totally different genre of fan fiction all together compared to the type the award is for in order to cut down on the bitterness factor. For example, have someone who writes OT fan fiction give out the award for a JA work. A lot of authors mainly stick to one time period, so I think that could work.

    I also agree that it would probably be best to have just the winners announced. In RL awards shows, like the Oscars, they only announce the winner. I think that by doing this, we'd keep more in theme with the whole awards show thing and less people would be hurt.

    *phew* I think that's everything I have to say on the awards issue.

    (For the record, I'm both a Goldfish and a handmaiden, and I have never discriminated against nor been biased towards anyone who wasn't. I am not going to speak any more on this topic but I'm extremely offended by what some people have said here about me and my friends since the awards).

    ~Inyri
  18. HandmaidenEirtae Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Jun 23, 2001
    star 3
    I've been reading along here....

    And as to whether or not to include a ceremony, what if we do both a ceremony and just an official awards list? Maybe have two different posts, one where there's just a list of the winners, and one where there's an actual ceremony, so you can just see the winners, or go to the ceremony and be surprised.

    I couldn't make it to the last ceremony and was disappointed about it, and I really hope there will be another one.

    Tae
  19. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Oct 8, 2000
    star 6
    Ams:

    It wasn't my intention to hurt anyone's feelings who put the entertainment together. I did think they did a good job, and it was funny and entertaining. My interest lies more in keeping the ceremony shorter, or starting it earlier--I'm trying to figure out how that would work for Aussie time--but having an evening ceremony starting at 8 p.m. PST and going for six hours is too much for us in EST. I couldn't stay up for the whole thing.

    Also, for those who, for whatever reason, choose not to participate in the ceremony thread, a separate thread the next day listing the winners would be a good idea--kind of like listing scores for a sports match for people who don't want to, or can't, watch the entire game.

    I think the voting should be done by PMs and it should be made public who the vote counters will be--and there should be several across a wide range of fanfic and the boards in general. Having different people present the different awards is a good idea, too.
  20. Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master

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    Mar 25, 2002
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    anakin_girl: Well, Am did give a link to an offsite webpage that basically listed all the winners, but my problem with that was that it took way too long to find. I looked at the title and knew that it was somewhere, but because it wasn't highlighted in anyway, I lost it as part of everything else going on in there. It's more my fault than anybody else's, but anyway *shrugs*

    Am - I hope you didn't take offense in any of my comments. I thought that you did a delightful job with the Awards, and I'm one of those bizarre people who thinks that entertainment is usually better left off alone than dragged into shows, so don't take it any personally.

    Secondly, I know that you're from Australia and hence there are timing conflicts, I just felt kind of put off that I couldn't even be present for the awards that I spent so much time reading all the excerpts and writing all the nominations, votes (the paragraphs as well as everything else).

    Aunecah
  21. Kit' Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Oct 30, 1999
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    Herman - I think you might have had a mental edit problem in that last sentence.

    Hmmmm, like I said earlier. Do not post while sleeping :p I'll go change it as it is slightly more then misleading at the moment.


    Auencah - the time difference is always going to be a big thing I guess. With hundreads of users from around the world there are always going to be people sleeping while others are up and about. Maybe the best thing would be to see if it could be held over a 'mutual time'....if that is even possible.
  22. ViariSkywalker Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Aug 9, 2002
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    As you wish Seb ;)

    The "conquering of the JC boards" is NOT to be taken seriously

    I know we've mostly gotten off of that topic, but I think people still want to see it. We're just people being silly, or at least that's all I was doing.

    I love you all! (Seriously I do, and I'm glad that we can discuss these issues and more civily and with clear, calm heads :) )

    ~Viari~
  23. Melyanna Jedi Master

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    Jul 19, 2001
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    Kit':

    I'd just like to restress the idea that whoever hosts counts themselves inelligable to win. Either that or they have no current fics on the board. It's always seemed odd to me in every award show we've ever had, that the host can win too.

    I don't really have a problem with the host being eligible, so long at the host isn't the one doing all the vote counting. As I've stated before, whether I host or someone else does, I don't want to be involved with vote counting - it's just not something that really appeals to me. However, I can certainly see the wisdom in having someone who isn't nominated for anything be the person receiving all the votes and distributing them to vote counters. That's what I did last year, though now that I think about it, I don't think it was intentional. :p

    However, there is a matter of taste and discretion when it comes to the host being eligible for awards. Last summer I was nominated in half of the categories, and judging from the fact that I was the front-runner after nominations in several of them, I was extremely leery about hosting and possibly accepting that many awards. When the situation with my grandfather's surgery came up, I had already pretty much decided that I was going to have someone else do it. So if one of the hosts is nominated in a lot of categories, it's probably best for that host to step aside from the public duties of host.

    I don't want to see a list of winners and nothing more. Maybe just draw it out for a couple of days/hours - let the winners be congratulated and then move on. I think the person who did them before Melyanna (Jeff42?) did his awards over a couple of days too.

    How would that work? I'm afraid I'm not following you. (The awards ceremony doesn't really bother me so long as it isn't dominated by chatter from one group - unfortunately, that has plagued more than one past awards ceremony.)

    Jane: I think that's just one of those things that gets experimented once and then dropped. Nothing wrong with suggesting something - if it doesn't work, it just won't be implemented again. :)

    I think the poll thing has been covered, so I'll move on.

    It's up to whoever is running the awards to decide how the nominations are run. As for my personal opinion, I want to go with top five instead of whoever gets more than a couple nominations. It just keeps the craziness in counting down, and it also cuts down on the sheer volume of excerpts.

    I think that another problem with the ceremony was that they just tend to move too fast for those on dialups. That would be my biggest reason for doing away with the ceremony. However, since I'm not actually on a dialup, I don't really have the experience to comment. :p

    Seb, I think your idea about having multiple presenters is great. My only suggestion about it is that you have a "master presenter," so to speak, in case something happens and a presenter doesn't show. This would give more people an opportunity to participate as well. :)

    I guess I'm still taking things a little too seriously in some respects, because I'm a little hurt that anyone would think I'd rig an internet fan fiction awards show. I'd like to think that my reputation, whether in real life or online, would never suggest that I'd do such a thing. I'd also like to think that it's not something taken so seriously that people would actually be worried about things being rigged. Sure, I want it to be fair and honest, as I've said before, but that's mostly because I believe everything should be that way. Just because it's for fun doesn't mean it doesn't have to be honest. Again, that may just be me. I don't think this last time was rigged, and it doesn't really bother me - I thought it would have been in Am's best interest to have specifically disclosed who was counting. That was what I meant by my earlier comment.

    Having said that, I don't see the point in getting someone who isn't well-known or active to do this - it's authors who are interested in it, so why g
  24. Sara_Kenobi Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Sep 21, 2000
    star 7
    I brought up the idea of a new thread because alot of the discussion that was going on had nothing at all to do with the awards ceremony itself. Discussion of off site problems going on between users I don't think fit in a awards thread. Discussion of any personal problems users are having with eachother doesn't belong in an awards thread, but by PM with a Moderator.

    At least that's the idea I've always gotten in the other forums on the JC.

    Problems of that nature are taken up via PM and not public forum. ;)

    But I'm happy to see the storm has settled. Perhaps there's hope for this yet, and one day we'll have an awards ceremony that will actually please, all of us.

  25. LadyMairead Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 20, 2002
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    I just want to interject to say that I really liked being able to see the winners and the runners-up. I didn't qualify as a runner-up in any of categories I was nominated in, but I still really enjoyed seeing how each story fared.

    I know it seems to have bothered a few people, but I think there were those of us who liked that method. Also, I don't think Jane Jinn's poll should be completely dismissed. A majority of people did want to see the winners and the first few places. On the other hand, I understand what people are saying regarding the fact that it could be hurtful. But I still support it. ;) Anyway, just something to consider...

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