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Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Ganger, Jul 21, 2015.

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  1. Jensaarai-defender

    Jensaarai-defender Jedi Master star 1

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    I hadn't even considered how the marketing campaign might backfire. I was thinking that they seem to be trying to sell the film on what it's not and what Star Wars has already done. Instead of putting the emphasis on what the film is and the new places it is going to take Star Wars.
     
  2. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    New isn't always the best focal point. Familiarity can help anchor those you want to give a new story a chance particularly if said individual has any prior exposure to the franchise. I think they're doing fine so far (with the content I've seen) in conveying a SW feel while making it clear this is a new era pertaining to the new 'leads'.
     
  3. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    I'd like some characters I can care about in a story that means something to them .

    then I'd like some awe-inspiring images . and some truly inventive and exciting action set-pieces .
     
  4. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Because that's the genius of the marketing staff for this movie. There's a certain built-in revenue stream from fans who like the movies. All of them. Including the prequels. Add to that the revenue stream of "generic" fans who will turn out in droves to see the latest summer spectacle. In other words, whether you like it or not, this movie will make money hand over fist just by virtue of it being a Star Wars movie. There's little need to spend advertising dollars targeting them specifically; they're already screaming "shut up and take my money!"

    That leaves those OT fans who, for whatever reason, despise the prequels, wailing and moaning about this, that, or the other. It's like that article title says "Star Wars Fans Hate Star Wars." Regardless of whether or not the concerns about the PT vs. OT are factually accurate, the marketing spin is saying "Whatever you liked about the OT? We're that. Whatever you didn't like about the PT? We're not that."

    They're targeting the demographic that might otherwise say "nuh-uh" and stay home. Everybody else is already on lock.
     
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  5. Binary_Sunset

    Binary_Sunset Force Ghost star 5

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    That's a good way to put it, Jedi Merkurian. If the marketing were reversed ("Whatever you liked about the PT? We're that. Whatever you didn't like about the OT? We're not that."), I might not see the movie until I could check it out for free from my local library. As it is, I plan on seeing it on a Tuesday, which is discount day at my local theater ($5 any movie, any showing).

    At this point my only real hope is that TFA doesn't bore me. I like what Roger Ebert wrote in his review of Basic Instinct 2: "It's a lot of things, but boring is not one of them. I cannot recommend the movie, but ... why the hell can't I? Just because it's godawful? What kind of reason is that for staying away from a movie? Godawful and boring, that would be a reason."
     
  6. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    thank god someone else gets it. i've been saying this over and over...
     
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  7. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    This, I think, also addresses the concern of some that TFA will be a mere nostalgia-fest, a fawning love letter to OT fanboys/fangirls, or whatever other pejorative you wanna use. I don't think that TFA will actually be those things, simply that it has been marketed as such.
     
  8. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I think that is exactly it.
     
  9. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's ignoring plot spoilers suggesting the story is sort of an ANH rehash with all the place and character names starting with a letter shifted over one place in the alphabet. Muke Tywalker. Doruscant. That kind of thing. It's also possible that the production at its core comes from a place of PT hatred, awash in OT nostalgia. As much as I dislike the prequels, I don't necessarily think that's the right approach. The evidence that it's just the marketing is not good.
     
  10. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    Yeah, the things folks know about fandoms are pretty great. I'm always learning and Star Wars is so vast. People are pretty awesome in their knowledge and occasionally funny.

    but if you want anal / OCD, go to any Mac / Apple board, just as passionate, snarky, wonderful and sarcastic as it can get in here.

    Even though I am not a fan of many Star Wars things, I try to respect those fans who do like what I do not.
     
  11. Cedric T Sealion

    Cedric T Sealion Jedi Knight star 1

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    Lol, just read this thread for the first time. This forum really does have a strong bias against anyone who dares to criticize Lucas or the prequels. It's just people voicing their opinion about some movies they paid to see. It's really nothing to be concerned about. There is no way this thread would have been allowed to stay open if the OP had called prequel fans luddites. Seems name calling is permitted here, so long as you are a prequel apologist.
     
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  12. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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  13. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    For your edification: The person who started this thread despises the Prequels. And, that's OK. Because he doesn't derail threads with offtopic commentary on it.
     
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  14. Cedric T Sealion

    Cedric T Sealion Jedi Knight star 1

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    He is? The original post doesn't come across that way.
     
  15. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    do you read?
     
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  16. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yes. he is. He just happens to not be an immature a-hole about it.

    Let's get back on topic.
     
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  17. Cedric T Sealion

    Cedric T Sealion Jedi Knight star 1

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    Charming.
     
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  18. GregMcP

    GregMcP Force Ghost star 5

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    So... The Luddites. A planet of Space Monks that rejects and all things Computerised, such as Droids and CGI.

    They spend their days reciting old stories they were taught as children and acting them out with crude puppets.
     
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  19. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    ^ Have you been spying on me?
     
  20. Ganger

    Ganger Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Cedric T Sealion I don't know how you got that impression, I thought I was quite clear on my stance. Also, the way people have been conducting themselves here is a clear example of the opposite of "prequel apologists" as you say.

    Since I don't want to pursue further thread derailment, I wanted to shore some of my thoughts these past few days. On sunday I watched every bit of official footage in a row (with big screen, 1080p, killer sound, etc.). I noticed several things that make this movie feel close to the OT and NOT because of practical effects.

    The shot were Finn takes Rey's hand is very Spielbergian (is that a word?). A carefully planned shot without dialogue, kind of funny, that actually tells a lot. That's probably an important moment, where this guy actually decides to trust this desert tomboy. His expression is great too. It's just good, straightforward, economic film making.

    The falcon shots with Rey are going to look amazing.

    I like how the aliens look. They don't look like cheap cartoon characters, but like a more believable version of the type of aliens we saw at the Mos Eisley Cantina. I'm not talking about the practical or digital element, just the design.

    I think the film cast and crew were really happy to be there. Isaac talks about their energy and how that will probably translate on film. I believe it's geniune. Even if people don't like the film, it feels like everybody put their heart into it.
     
  21. vw_jedi

    vw_jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    We kept it straight! It's all there, aint it? Everything marked, everything 'membered!
     
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  22. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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  23. G-FETT

    G-FETT Chosen One star 7

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    Well I love all the films (so far) and I'm certainly not "on a lock" to go and see TFA by any means.

    They certainly shouldn't ever take their core audience for granted.
     
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  24. Zikri

    Zikri Jedi Master star 2

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    Well, I like the prequels despite some minor issues.
     
  25. Jensaarai-defender

    Jensaarai-defender Jedi Master star 1

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    For me simply being Star Wars is enough familiarity to anchor me in.
    Every star wars film has built upon what came before it,the scope, the technology usage of the Force.
    The current marketing feels like they are trying to resell me what I've already bought,instead of offering me the next step in the SW processes.
    Until they start putting the emphasis on the new I won't be boarding the marketing hype train.
     
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