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The Matrix Revolutions

Discussion in 'Archive: Cleveland, OH' started by TheRandomMenace, Oct 24, 2003.

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  1. TheRandomMenace

    TheRandomMenace Jedi Master star 4

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    The movie is less than 2 weeks away... I think we're due for a thread on it.

    I am majorly excited for this. I think it could be the best of the Matrix films. The Wachowskis haven't failed me yet... I'm sure that this movie is going to have one hell of an ending.

    However, I don't know if I will be able to see it on opening day. [face_shocked] I have 2 tests November 6th, and it comes out November 5th. If I can make it to a midnight showing it will technically be the night of November 4th, so I can spend all of the night of November 5th studying. I'm thinking about doing this, or if there isn't a midnight showing skipping my classes on that day. A third option would involve me waiting until the weekend to see it. But I am keeping on top of studying so I won't have to cram like I usually do.

    I can't wait... 6 months has been too long!
     
  2. TheRandomMenace

    TheRandomMenace Jedi Master star 4

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    One week... and we shall know all. Or the Wachowskis will ask us more questions than they solve. Stuff to think about.
     
  3. skyedancer

    skyedancer Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Eric, I need a crash course in Matrix 101: Having a Clue About the First Two Movies When You Don't Have a Clue or Only a Tiny Clue After Several Viewings! ;)
     
  4. Jedi_BMack

    Jedi_BMack Jedi Padawan star 4

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    oh lord, here it comes...

    *ducks and runs*

    -b-
     
  5. skyedancer

    skyedancer Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Before Brian and everyone else runs away and hides, maybe I should clarify that I think I got most of it but I know I didn't get that stuff with the Architect at all. That's the part that confused me. :confused:
     
  6. DarthZome

    DarthZome Jedi Padawan star 4

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    http://www.theantitrust.net/articles/viewarticle.php?articleid=108

    Here is a transcript of the Architect's speech. You can go to www.dictionary.com to find the definitions of words like "assiduously," "sublime," and "contingent."
     
  7. TheRandomMenace

    TheRandomMenace Jedi Master star 4

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    VIS-A-VIS! ERGO! CONCORDANTLY!
     
  8. skyedancer

    skyedancer Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I'm trying really hard not to take offense here but I already do know the meaning of those words! And I did watch it several times with the subtitles on. I can't be the only one who doesn't understand that scene. But never mind....
     
  9. Krash

    Krash RSA Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I can't be the only one who doesn't understand that scene
    Don't worry skye, many people have come to the conclusion that that scene was just another attempt by the writers to sound "smarter then the average bear"...otherwise know as milking a plot point for all it's worth, and to keep on milking.
     
  10. TheRandomMenace

    TheRandomMenace Jedi Master star 4

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    Or to create one of the best ambiguous film moments and cliffhangers of all time. I suppose one could accuse Lucas of doing the same thing in 1980 (that is, milking the plot) with Vader's revelation in Empire.

    When I get more time later I will try to explain somewhat, Skyedancer. But I don't think you can fully understand that scene until you see Revolutions.
     
  11. skyedancer

    skyedancer Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Drew and Eric, Sorry I was in such a crabby mood earlier. Still friends? I guess I'm just not in my "Deanna Troi" mode today! ;) I am also looking forward to Revolutions to see if some of these questions are answered.
     
  12. TheRandomMenace

    TheRandomMenace Jedi Master star 4

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    Ok, I have some free time now, Skye.

    The architect scene is intentionally confusing. It is supposed to mess with your mind just as much as it is supposed to mess with Neo's. I don't know that what the Architect was necessarily entirely true. If you look at the first Matrix, the Oracle tells Neo what he needs to hear so that he can start down his path to believing he is the One. I think that perhaps the Architect is using the same strategy to perpetuate the Matrix. This is just a possibility, ultimately I think that the Architect was telling the truth. However, I don't think he could have predicted Neo being able to stop the machines outside the Matrix, which I think is going to be an integral part of Neo's role as the One in Revolutions. (I do, however, think the Oracle could predict this)

    As Agent Smith said in the first Matrix movie, there were previous versions of the Matrix. The Architect confirms this, and also tells Neo that he wasn't the only One. Apparently the other Ones sacrificed themselves by disseminating their prime code back into the Source, whereas Neo chose to save Trinity rather than sacrifice himself for the good of all of humanity (as far as we know from the Architect's speech). Because Neo didn't do this, and "reload" the Matrix, it looks like the Matrix is going to crash pretty soon if what the Architect said was true, and that would mean anyone who's not unplugged will die. And the sentinels in the real world are ever reaching closer and closer to Zion, if they succeed the humans in the real world will die too. So Skye, if Neo doesn't succeed in saving Zion and/or the people in the Matrix, every human will die.

    From what I've pieced together from the trailers and the non-spoiler boards on thematrixfans.net, I have some idea of the story arc of Revolutions, although I have no idea of how it is all going to play out and end. There may be possible spoilers below, although I think this is a gray area, but I'm warning you all just in case you don't want to know some new character names.

    POSSIBLE
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    BELOW

    I know from the Enter the Matrix game that Neo's mind was disconnected from his body at the end of Reloaded. The Oracle says that the rebels will have to go through Hell to get him back. I am pretty sure there is a club in Revs called Hel Club, where the Merovingian and Persephone are. I think Morpheus and Trinity enlist Seraph's help to get Neo back. I am guessing that they do.

    Neo meets Deus Ex Machina (God of the Machines, the mainframe robot in the real world that says "SPEAK!" during the trailer) in the real world. I think that DEM has a problem with Smith screwing things up in the Matrix in his own personal attempt to destroy Neo by infecting other programs and people, so Neo strikes a deal with DEM to get rid of Smith in the Matrix if DEM promises to have the machines leave Zion alone. Then I think it will lead to the Super Brawl inside the Matrix... I don't have any idea as to how this will end. But we know Smith is still in the real world inside Bane. I am guessing Neo has to fight Bane in the real world too. Plus there looks like a ton of sentinels that come to destroy Zion from the trailers. Those guys in the armored personal units with tons of guns on them look like they're going to be shooting the crap out of a bunch of sentinels and it's going to be an all-out war at the gates of Zion. I am guessing that Neo stops the sentinels like he did at the end of Reloaded. But I have no clue.

    I am also pretty sure that there is a guy called Rama-Kandra who has some importance in Revs. I think he was seen in Reloaded, very briefly being escorted out of the Merovingian's restaurant. I have no idea what his importance is, but I think he has a daughter who is in Revs who is also important. And then there is the crazy Trainman from the Enter the Matrix game who is seen in some of the trailers for Revs. I have no clue what he does either.

    What's cool about the Matrix is that I don't know that Neo will necessarily succeed, or if he does, he could even die at the end, which w
     
  13. skyedancer

    skyedancer Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Thanks, Eric. That helped!
     
  14. Jedi_BMack

    Jedi_BMack Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well, sorry to do this Eric, but I've got to tear your spoilers apart.

    If you didn't read Eric's plotline, or don't want to be possibly spoiled, DON'T READ THIS!

    It seems that either the Wachowskis havd no idea how to finish the story or they're deliberately throwing the masses off. Hopefully, all my analysis here will go right out the window. Now, most of this info comes from my theatre experience, and the drama basis does in fact translate to movies.

    First a correction on your translation of deus ex machina.

    Deus ex machina is actually an old, old, old theatre term. It's Latin from the Greek theos apo mechanes literally, "the god out of the machine." It refers mostly to stage machinery. More on that in a bit. Loosely translated in theatrics, it means "hand of god."

    Now it refered to stage machinery because a stage actor, portraying one of the old Greek gods in a play, might be lowered out of the sky by machine onto the stage. This term became rather derrogatory because it gave the writer an easy way to solve all the mortals' problems through divine intervention.

    Such endings show that the heroes can't solve their own problems happily, and they must be "saved" by the writer through improbable means. Kind of an easy way out if you ask me. Not very good writing.

    Now, if this happens in Revolutions, I will be seriously dissappointed.

    Hopefully the Wachowskis are familiar with this basic convention of drama and named their mainframe robot in this fashion to deliberately throw off anyone else who may be familiar with it.

    Maybe DEM double-crosses Neo somehow, and he then has to fight his battle on four fronts: Neo v. Smith in Matrix, Neo v. Smith in RL (Bane), Neo v. DEM in Matrix and Neo v. DEM in RL (Sentinels). However, if it comes out the way your spoiler insinuates, I will be rather miffed. It may in fact lend itself to great action sequences, but it's very poor drama. Besides, I just outlined four possible action sequences as opposed to the two you outline. That'd be nummy.

    In summation, hopefully the Wachowskis really know what they're doing and they won't let Deus Ex Machina live up to the traditional definition of deus ex machina. Now, I'm not sure what I really expect them to do, but I hope they prove my reasoning and that spoiler wrong. Otherwise I would be very disappointed with the conclusion of an already outstanding film series.

    -b-

    EDIT: frelling typos
     
  15. DarthZome

    DarthZome Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Umm, BMack, I think you're reading WAY too deeply into the term Deus Ex Mechana.

    I seriously doubt that Deus is going to solve everyone's problems. I'm more inclined to believe that it is nothing more than its name says: a god out of machinery, and that the name is nothing more than a tip of the hat to the old Greek style of theater, nothing more.
     
  16. TheRandomMenace

    TheRandomMenace Jedi Master star 4

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    If anyone wants to see 9 clips from the movie... they are online. Be warned, if you don't want to be spoiled, don't watch them. There is some integral information about the whole trilogy in these clips. And these clips are fully edited scenes that come right out of the movie, so you are about to see a good 4 minutes of footage from the film. All I can say is that I thought the Burly Brawl was great, and the footage from the Super Brawl looks very, very promising in that it could top it. But alas, I digress...

    It ends tonight
     
  17. Krash

    Krash RSA Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Speaking of sneak previews...HBO: First Look for Matrix Revolutions airs tonight at 9:45pm

    I'm sure there will be plenty of scenes from th emovie...as well as behind the scenes footage.
     
  18. Malo-ha

    Malo-ha Jedi Youngling star 2

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    So do you think the Architect wanted Neo to go thru the door or not? My brother thinks he didn't. Because even after all that effort to get him there Neo still hasn't reached the Source. The Architect most likely could of stopped what was happening with Trinity once Neo reached him but didn't. So how was Neo's choice part of what was necessary to reset the Matrix?

    I think the Architect sounded a bit miffed that the anomaly Neo had to exist at all.

    I'm hoping its at the Imax when we are in Columbus for Mid-Ohio. If it is Maureen and I are trying to figure out when we can get to see it.
     
  19. TheRandomMenace

    TheRandomMenace Jedi Master star 4

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    I think the Architect does want Neo to go back to the Source... but I think he's analogous to a scientist. What do scientists do? Observe. Look for change so that they can obtain knowledge so that the human race can in some way grow and be better because of it. I think the Architect almost does want Neo to be different from the others, because the machines are static entities. They don't know how to change. They were modeled after humans, so in order to evolve, they have to watch how humans change. And if the machines have a routine where they have to reload the Matrix periodically, and Neo disrupts that routine, then change is going to occur. I mean, Agent Smith in the first Matrix movie was a clear indication of the machines being fascinated with human behavior. And by their meeting, I've noticed that the Architect was fascinated like Smith was. I think the Architect ultimately wants to perpetuate the Matrix, as it is his creation, but I think that Neo's psyche has piqued his interest.

    And yes, I do think the Architect thinks that the whole aspect of the One is a problem. If you check out some of the clips on that link I posted above, you are given a definite answer to that. But I won't say more about that so as not to spoil anything for those who don't want to be spoiled.
     
  20. GrnJalera

    GrnJalera Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Forget about a midnight showing in Cleveland:

    From Fandango.com:

    "On Nov. 5, audiences will be able to experience the premiere of "The Matrix Revolutions" at the exact same moment in time in every major city around the world.

    This unprecedented distribution scenario will make the film available to fans simultaneously at 6 a.m. in Los Angeles, 9 a.m. in New York, 2 p.m. in London, 5 p.m. in Moscow, 11 p.m. in Tokyo and at corresponding times in over 50 additional countries worldwide.

    "The zero hour simultaneous opening of 'Revolutions' once again positions the Matrix films as the cutting edge experience in motion pictures," says Dan Fellman, president of domestic distribution of Warner Bros. Pictures"

     
  21. TheRandomMenace

    TheRandomMenace Jedi Master star 4

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    Eh, I'm going to the 10 AM showing... so I'll start it at One Hour instead of Zero Hour, heh.
     
  22. TheRandomMenace

    TheRandomMenace Jedi Master star 4

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    This is a really cool string of interviews with Keanu, Joel Silver, Jada, and Carrie-Anne. There are brief scenes from the movie, but nothing that hasn't been in any of the trailers. Keanu does tell us about Neo at the beginning of the movie and where we find him, but I'm not so sure that he gives the full explanation that the movie will give. Anyways, without further ado:

    http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/launch?lid=wmv-56-p.1236827-117756,wmv-100-p.1236828-117756,wmv-300-p.1236829-117756&p=movies&f=1808402448&.spid=1808520573&.dist=Warner%20Brothers&type=m

    EDIT: I tried posting this as a link, but it wouldn't link it correctly, so just copy and paste the link if you want to view it.
     
  23. _-Reborn_Jedi-_

    _-Reborn_Jedi-_ Jedi Youngling star 3

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    "72 more hours..."

    I can't believe it's so close. The end of one of the greatest trilogies of all time. I already got my tickets and plan to dress up for the event as an Agent (if my glasses I ordered ever arrive in time). I think Eric is dressing up as well, maybe we will reenact some Matrix scenes while waiting in line lol.

    As Tank said in the first Matrix, "It's going to be a very exciting time."

    (And where the heck is my Smiths icon? Guess it got deleted by the "Source"...*sigh*)

     
  24. TheRandomMenace

    TheRandomMenace Jedi Master star 4

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    As the time draws closer, I keep seeing more and more scenes from the movie released on the 'Net. It just keeps getting better and better. I still have no clue how this is all going to pan out, but oh my gosh it is going to be an awesome ride. I don't feel spoiled at all... I think this ending is going to be brilliant, and I haven't the slightest clue as to how it will end. It's become epic. Maybe even moreso than Star Wars. Yes, Luke vs. Vader is good versus evil, and I know Vader is harsh and everything, but deep down he's really Anakin... that little kid who was so selfless. Obi-Wan was wrong... he wasn't more machine than man. He gives in to the good inside of him. Smith is PURE EVIL. He IS a manifestation of machines... he has no conscience. This is going to be an all-out mega battle between good and evil. Apocalyptic. 2 Realms, the Matrix and the Real World - 2 wars going on... almost like Heaven and Earth. I am so stoked right now.
     
  25. _-Reborn_Jedi-_

    _-Reborn_Jedi-_ Jedi Youngling star 3

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    To anyone who's looking for Matrix eyewear, I just got my order today from www.matrixeyewear.com and all I can say is, "Whoa". This place has the best deal anywhere on quality Matrix sunglasses. I ordered Agent Smith shades for my costume, and also Morpheus shades, and I got a free pair of Neo shades (if you order 2 pairs, you get the Neos for free). They all look really authentic, and don't have that cheap, flimsy feel that other poorly-made imitations have. Surprisingly the Morpheus shades don't even fall off from my face, and they are so light and comfortable and don't irritate your nose when you put them on. This guy ships pretty quick too, takes less than a week to get them. I definately recommend this website for buying your Matrix shades, they are incredible! And Eric, if you want to borrow my Neo shades for the premiere, you can, but be careful with them, or you'll end up facing deletion from me... [face_devil]
     
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