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But this time it counts!

Amazing.

 

Rox: The week of the bombing, yeah.

 

Then they were likely doing it on the national stage as a Boston bombing tribute.

Anybody see Rivera entrance with all the players going off the field and him coming out to "Enter Sandman?"

 

Yes.

 

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It's disgusting & sickening to read about those asshats who had an issue* with Anthony... it's not surprising anymore, though. And that's sad.





*I do have an issue, though, with anytime God Bless America is sung during a ballgame... ok, it made since for a bit after 9/11, but can't we let it go? It's overkill, damn it, since we already have the National Anthem sung before every game, and for an event such as the ASG, a flyover, a gigantic flag in the outfield, and so on, it just was too much.

 

Be thankful you don't get it with every game. The yanks turned it into a tradition.

Also, lol at the guy who said Marc Anthony didn't look like a New Yorker. Ask John Rocker, he'll tell you he's a NYer.

 

Ryan Braun suspended the rest of the season without pay for violating the joint drug agreement.

Good times.

 

he was like the only good player on my fantasy team.

also the mariners have won six in a row. just when i thought i was out they pull me back in.

 

Garza to the Rangers for what I think is a big time overpay.

Braun suspension make s m4 happy.

The NL Central just got suckier.

 

It's worse than that and amazing. He's suspended 65 games -- which is a number not covered by the JDA and the CBA. Which means this is Biogenesis-related since non-failed test suspensions are the only types that MLB can hand out arbitrary suspension numbers for.

Which means: everyone on that Biogenesis list is TOAST. Braun is not contesting.

 

I would love to know the justification for bypassing a 50-game suspension and instead suspending him for 65 games. I would also love to know if he actually tested positive this year, or if it's just because he's tied to Biogenesis. He's accepted it and certainly isn't denying his use. But it still doesn't make sense.

Amazing.

 

Non-analytical positives aren't covered by the JDA/CBA suspension numbers. This is why you hear "deals" as mentioned by Michael Weiner and 150-games proposed for A-Rod.

 

But he was suspended under the JDA. I'm watching the MLB Network now, just saw the statement. How can he be suspended under the JDA, if not under one of the prescribed punishments?

Amazing.

 

From 7.G.2 of the JDA:

"A Player may be subjected to disciplinary action for just cause by the Commissioner for any Player violation of Section 2 above not referenced in Section 7.A through 7.F above."

http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf

Section 2 of the JDA lists the banned substances. 7.A-F indicate punishments for positive tests, criminal prosecution, etc. Presumably the Biogenesis evidence proves incontrovertibly that Braun possessed and used banned substances even if he didn't test positive for such.

 

Sorry, I should be more clear (as... it's entirely not clear). AS I understand it, and Jeffro posts above, even Weiner concedes that the JDA allows for "non-analytical" (e.g. non-failed test) suspensions for overwhelming evidence. Those suspensions are not subject to the 50/100/lifetime ban escalation numbers.

 

That steroid user helped cost the Diamondbacks a place in the 2011 NLCS. He should never have been in that series to begin with.

 

Anti-semite!

(I'm totally kidding)

But the problem is MLB bungled that one so badly it's not even funny... I agree with you though...

 

It could be that MLB is counting the suspension he got overturned (which was a fifty game one) as his first violation. And if it's 65 games, then he had to have cut some sort of deal.

Well now we know why the Yankees decided not to bring A-Rod back. The hammer would have come down the minute they put him officially in the line-up.

 

Okay. So I read Section 2 and 7A-F. If there's a catch-all then that allows for any other suspension for any other reason, what's the point in having specific suspensions in the first place? If anything, this seems to fall under 7F which relates to actively buying banned substances, in which case this suspension should be at least 80 games.

This whole thing just seems capricious and arbitrary and is basically MLB having no idea how to properly handle the situation. Every time someone is suspended under the usual 50/100/150 guidelines, there's all sorts of hand-wringing that there is still an issue, rather than things working as intended. And rather than making that point, MLB let's itself believe it has a huge PR issue on its hands and has to "do something."

Two things about this. One, his test in 2011 came in October. And it was still a gross violation of his privacy that it was leaked (illegally) and it went through the proper arbitration process and was thrown out. Whether it was a true positive or not (and it probably was), it doesn't change the fact that the sample was proven to be mishandled.

Second, I'm quite curious what your reaction would be (will be) when it's revealed a D'Backs player from that team was on a banned substance. Or, let's say, someone from the 2001 team, perhaps a player who exhibited modest power until he suddenly hit 57 home runs. Perhaps the player who had the game winning hit in the World Series. Quite curious indeed.

Amazing.

 

Gonzalez didn't use steroids, B.

If he had, it would have come out a long time ago

 

lol

 

Does this now mean that Matt Kemp is the legitimate 2011 N.L. MVP?

 

Do you really believe that every player who's ever used steroids has been identified? That seems to be what you're saying. If you want to accept that premise, I don't think I'm going to be the one to change your mind, but you're going to find yourself awfully disappointed in the years to come. Maybe not about Gonzalez, specifically, he's just the easiest case to make. But I guarantee at least one and probably multiple players on the 2001 D'Backs used performance enhancers. They were too prevalent for the whole team to be clean, as we've seen over and over and over.

Amazing.

 

I would GLADLY and EAGERLY forever give up the moral high ground and brand myself a hypocrite if some super roided slugger got the Indians a World Series title.