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The Mod Squad Update Experience: Are You Experienced? (August 19-25)

Discussion in 'Communications' started by Son of the Suns, Aug 25, 2002.

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  1. citizen-tom

    citizen-tom Jedi Knight star 5

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    But what do I know? I dont belong to a social group here. That makes my opinion irrelevant to the administration.

    No, your just not as experienced with social threads :). Plus I'm thinking that if the BYS became an open no membership or anything thread we would see a lot more of the feces eater.
     
  2. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Just a question here.

    From what I understand, social threads with membership take just about anyone who asks (assuming it isn't a sock or some other exception that I can't think of). There's nothing stopping you, Dagsy, from being accepted.

    I don't think they are exclusive because they don't deny any reasonable person membership.

     
  3. citizen-tom

    citizen-tom Jedi Knight star 5

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    From what I understand, social threads with membership take just about anyone who asks

    Considering YOTS, for safety precautions, we at the BYS have instituted a rule, that Our members must first have (i think about) 50 posts and one month of JC membership....
     
  4. farraday

    farraday Jedi Knight star 7

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    I've never joined a social club, would you say I'm inexperienced with them Tom?

    KW, with some cavets, clubs and social threads do accept just about everyone.

    However, surely you're not suggesting they are for everyone. As in, there are some maybe many members out there who don't want to join one. What then do you do for these members as social threads clog up increasingly more of the first page of the JCC?

    My understanding is that social threads and their members represent a minority of posters and yet they also have a majority of the posts a day in the JCC(or atleast a percentage higher then any other type of thread.) Is it really fair to everyone else?
    During my stay as moderater I saw all sorts of stupid and just plain wrong posts in social threads that the other members didn't call the poster on nor was a mod ever notified.
    If someone outside a social thread posted 5 times in a row with one word each speeling out 'Bored', I dare say they would atleast get a rather hard talking to. And yet when a group is getting 300 posts a day with no moderator even bothering to look in, they at most get an askew look from their compatriots.

    If you're not going to find some new policy on social threads then atleast keep up a presence in them. Good god atleast post occasionally with warning so they know you're keeping an eye on them. Wave the flag, remind them that although they maybe in their ivory tower they're still subject to the rules in regs.

    If you're not even going to do that then what good are you?
     
  5. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Now that's a completely different ballgame, and a perspective I had not considered.

    Good points, farraday.
     
  6. dArTh_wenley

    dArTh_wenley Jedi Knight star 5

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    Considering YOTS, for safety precautions, we at the BYS have instituted a rule, that Our members must first have (i think about) 50 posts and one month of JC membership....

    Actually, it is 100 posts and 3 months. This rule trys to keep the socks away. Apart from this rule, anyone can join, you just need to ask! :)

    I think taking away the membership structure won't do anything productive, and allow people to run rampant.

    In regards to Mods watching social threads, I agree they need to post from time to time but give us some credit! We (and I'm sure other groups) have some responsible members who will deal with such things as "bad behaviour".

    Most users don't spam the thread with "bored" "bored" "bored" etc this is more the new, inexperienced members. They learn! :)
     
  7. citizen-tom

    citizen-tom Jedi Knight star 5

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    Sorry farraday, I guess I need to do some more thinking and less posting!
     
  8. GriffZ

    GriffZ Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Sorry farraday, I guess I need to do some more thinking and less posting!

    Nicely put.

     
  9. shinjo_jedi

    shinjo_jedi Jedi Master star 5

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    Yes, very nicely ;)

    !Shinjo :)
     
  10. Darth-Stryphe

    Darth-Stryphe Former Mod and City Rep star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think, therefore, that along with rationalising the numbers of social threads, changes need to be made to the structure of these social threads. Make them pure social threads where anyone can come and socialise with anyone else.

    That would be the beginning of a policy to rid the board of social clubs. If social threads are entirely open for any socializing, then as a thread they become redudent topics (i.e. they are all the same), and eventually must be closed.


    After all, 2 of the 3 JCC mods are Dark Lords, some of the non-JCC mods are Dark Lords....

    Perhaps that's because the DLs and mods stand for the same thing: Truth, justice, and large cash bribes (preferably in small, unmarked bills). 8-}


    ...Seems to me, those without divided loyalty dont get a say.

    You mean the majority of moderators who don't have group affiliation? Yes, they don't get a say. JMT is holding their house pets hostiage. Sorry, JMT, I know I promised not to say anything, but I thought Dagsy deserved to know the truth, the terrible truth.


    My understanding is that social threads and their members represent a minority of posters and yet they also have a majority of the posts a day in the JCC

    Wait, I thought someone earlier in this thread established that there were only 5 social groups? Is this so, and if so, how is this a problem? That's only five threads.
     
  11. farraday

    farraday Jedi Knight star 7

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    Lightside, Dark lords, BYS, Shinoj wierd house, Outcasts, Skystation, Golden Age Cafe, Residence Hall, Sanctuary, Work Countdown thread(debateable social), Green Squadron, Singles thread, Spookus party bash, old fashioned chat, Geriatric ward, Dark side club, Flirt thread,

    That of course is only of the first two hundred threads and doens't include the various long topical discussion which dally in social posting.
     
  12. Yodave27

    Yodave27 Jedi Master star 4

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    farraday has stated my feeling better thsn I could ever had. It's for this reason that he made a great mod and it's for this reason the JCC is suffering with out him.

    Now I may not have agreed with everything he did, but at least he had the guts to try different things. And it didn't take him two months to decide policy...
     
  13. Darth-Stryphe

    Darth-Stryphe Former Mod and City Rep star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That of course is only of the first two hundred threads and doens't include the various long topical discussion which dally in social posting.

    But isn't that what the YJCC is about? I'm not saying that's what it's suppose to be about, I'm just suggesting that's what it is about now.

    Perhaps a clear definition of the purpose of YJCC might help to start pushing changes in the right direction.

    Farraday, I am of the impression you are no fan of social threads, though I might have misread you, and if so, my apologies. Can I ask why you didn't have them closed or moved during your time as mod?
     
  14. Amidala Starkiller

    Amidala Starkiller Jedi Master star 6

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    I'm here because I like Star Wars [face_plain]
     
  15. citizen-tom

    citizen-tom Jedi Knight star 5

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    Ironically enough, so am I...

    weird, huh?
     
  16. GriffZ

    GriffZ Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's something a lot of people often lose sight of. If everyone viewed this as what it really is - a Star Wars message board - than there'd be a lot less drama.

    Oh well. Carry on my friends!

     
  17. dark42

    dark42 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    'Star Wars'?

    ?[face_plain]























    j/k

    ;)
     
  18. keokiswahine

    keokiswahine Jedi Knight star 5

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    farraday, the mod, is missed in the JCC; would be nice if he were invited back. :D
     
  19. farraday

    farraday Jedi Knight star 7

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    Am I a fan of social threads?

    Not really, I've slipped in and out of most of the types of threads on the JCC and social threads don't really mesh well with my more isolationist view.

    But then again I do realize that some people like them. What I want is there to be rules and the rules to be enforced. The problem has always seemed to be people either think nothing can be done or are unwilling to do what might work. From my point of view social threads tend to stick around for a very long time, look at the Sanctuary. If you don't regulate them eventually you have the case where everyone has their own little social thread because more keep getting made and the old ones die off slowly if at all.

    when I first got ehre I don't remember having that many social threads at the top of the JCC, now they're everywhere, and if that doens't change I think in the future the only real choice will be deleting the JCC entirely as it'll use up far to much space and bandwidth.
     
  20. Jedi Greg Maddux

    Jedi Greg Maddux Jedi Knight star 6

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    Actually, it's up to farraday if he wants to moderate again.
     
  21. GriffZ

    GriffZ Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Is it?

     
  22. Jedi Greg Maddux

    Jedi Greg Maddux Jedi Knight star 6

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    Well... since he didn't get kicked out of the Mod Squad, it would be insulting and almost a crime to refuse his services once again.
     
  23. Quixotic-Sith

    Quixotic-Sith Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    From what I understand, social threads with membership take just about anyone who asks (assuming it isn't a sock or some other exception that I can't think of).

    I'm surprised that Stryphe didn't jump on this one in his earlier posts. The DLs *do* check post histories and check out members before admitting anyone. Socks are a no-go, as are flamers, trolls (serial or otherwise), spammers, etc.
     
  24. HawkNC

    HawkNC Former RSA: Oceania star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Club =/= Social thread


    The Light Side and Dark Lords aren't fundamentally social threads. It may be what they have become, but it's not what they were created for. A move back to their initial purposes would be beneficial for everyone involved.


    On the topic of social threads in general, I know a few people would be annoyed that their thread was shut down. Well, not everyone agrees with a mod's decision, they do have to live with it however. I want to encourage community building - which is what I think social threads do, to an extent - but we really don't need as many as are on there. It's simply a matter of choosing which ones stay and which ones go.
     
  25. toochilled

    toochilled Jedi Knight star 5

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    ''My understanding is that social threads and their members represent a minority of posters and yet they also have a majority of the posts a day in the JCC(or atleast a percentage higher then any other type of thread.) Is it really fair to everyone else? ''

    You imply here that the social threads prevent non social thread members from posting.
     
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