The Movie & Television Character Draft 3: Nothin' or Double - congrats, EF

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  1. RX_Sith C&G Game Host

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    Well, I also selected Warren Mears from Buffy who according to wiki has the following:

    Although Warren displays no independent supernatural powers, he does possess a genius-level intellect, especially in the fields of technology and robotics. He is capable of building highly advanced robots which can easily pass for ordinary humans. The Buffybot he built successfully masqueraded as Buffy Summers for several weeks while the real Slayer was dead. Some of his other creations, which fuse magic and technology, include an invisibility ray (cf. "Gone"); a small microchip capable of slowing time; a cerebral dampener, which strips of her will any female within its range, rendering her a slave; and at least two jet packs (cf. "Seeing Red"). In Season Eight, he also displays enough knowledge of biology to perform a lobotomy (cf. "The Long Way Home, Part Four").

    In Season Six's "Seeing Red", Warren gains the power of the Orbs of Nezzla'khan, two orbs which grant him superhuman strength and invulnerability, respectively. In this state, he is more than a physical match for Buffy, until Jonathan betrays him by telling her to destroy his orbs.


    So, couldn't Mears make all of my characters invisible plus slow time thus allowing my characters to easily win./>
  2. Shadow_of_Durron Jedi Grand Master

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    Nope, didn't forget about that stuff. But I don't see it happening, either.

    First, the time-slowing thing was sort of an odd thing. When it was placed on Buffy's clothing what it did was make her perception of time all wonky. Time would not only slow down, but also speed up for her at random intervals. And while that could be very effective, it also requires getting the microchip on the person before it'll actually do anything. And that's much easier said than done. Especially against the best fighters on the opposing team. It could maybe happen, but also, I don't see him just crapping out 14 of those chips like it was nothing with only 24 hours to work with. It'd probably take up a big chunk of his time just to maybe get a couple of them ready. And then supposing they do manage to get the chips onto a couple TSS's fighters (this is assuming we have some teamwork going here, which is a huge stretch with this team), having one or two people whose sense of time is out of whack is not going to lose the match for them, I'd say.

    The invisibility ray could be very useful, but here's the thing on that: When it turns someone invisible, that person's molecules start to become unstable. And eventually, they die if not turned back. And while most people on your team wouldn't know that, the problem is, Spike does. If Warren suggests that they all become invisible, Spike's going to say a big hell no to that, which'll then let everyone else know that it'd kill them if they don't turn back. You really think guys like Smith and Viktor or pretty much anyone else on your team is going to want to take that chance? What if it breaks or something?

    Besides. The other team has Cam. They're prepped and they'd have some basic knowledge of what Warren has built. Including the invisibilty ray. Cooking up some googles or somesuch that would allow his team to see invisible things hardly seems out of his range when you consider what else he's built. Seems pretty simplistic for him, actually. And unlike Warren, Cam's work speed is pretty incredible. I actually don't see him having too much trouble making a set of those for everyone in the time alloted.

    No, Warren's not worthless, but the chip and the ray aren't going to win the battle.
  3. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    I don't have my computer right now, but I could pretty much say the same thing about Jack making my entire team invisible, on top of Trent's own camoflauge, which renders him technically 'invisible' anyway.

    Then there's Cambot or whatever he's called, who is far more impressive than Buffybot, and Jango for a fact has spare jetpacks around, and there's no way Han couldn't rustle up a few of those.

    The tech ownage going on in that match ain't even funny.
  4. Zizz Jedi Master

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    God... I'm still frickin swamped. Still, I've been leaning towards Angry Kids as well. It's no blowout, but either have the advantage equal EM in just about every important category. Plus Imhotep's stock has really been lowered in my eyes afte rthis past round. He's still very good, but not nearly as powerful as I had him pegged before.

    Good match, but cohesion and power (but mostly cohesion) win out.

    Winner: Angry Kids With Rocks



    Oh, and Slimy Slugs or whatever.
  5. Mikaboshi Force Ghost

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    Well that about does it, great match JediVegeta. I was happy to just make it this far, and it was a huge bonus to push this match all the way to teams.

    Good luck in the finals. [face_peace]
  6. Zizz Jedi Master

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    I'm ditching the semi-finals. Sorry, this thing has gone on long enough. lol

    Great work to both D1 and RX Sith though. Both you guys fought and lost valiantly.


    FINALS!!!!!!!
    Location: Evacuated Time Square (Heroes)

    Team Sea Slug vs Angry Kids with Rocks (4)




    Numbers in 24. And Vegeta already sent hers in a few weeks ago (wow that was a long round). So EF, hurry the bleep up.
  7. Shadow_of_Durron Jedi Grand Master

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    Ummmm... ugh. I kinda want to discuss something a bit further, but at the same time, kinda not.... Screw it. I'll get into it. This draft has had way too little in the way of discussion. Maybe not lately, but overall.

    Lemme first just say that this is absolutely not about kicking a team after it's been downed, even though I guess that's pretty much what I'm about to do, but you say that match isn't a blowout? Really?

    See, I didn't even get into a bunch of stuff in that judgment, long as it was. The individual advantage that AKWR had is not just about raw power. It's about matchups. Did you really not see some of the incredible matchup advantages that AKWR had in that fight? Matchups that would likely happen thanks in large part to their superior planning.

    The Beast. I went into how Rambo could maybe play a role in helping to take him down along with Buffy or Faith, but really, that's hardly their best option. Not when they have an absolutely perfect opponent to take out the Beast in Wolvie. While a piece of the Beast himself was all Angel could think of that would pierce the Beast's hide, he didn't have access to adamantium claws, either. I see no reason to believe that razor-sharp adamantium is not more than enough to pierce the big guy. And the thing about the Beast was, once that hide of his was pierced by... well, himself, he dropped. Fast. It didn't take more than one strike and he was stone cold dead. If you can get past the hide, he's not difficult to take down. At all. And not only could Wolvie pierce that hide, but he could do it quickly. He's easily on the same level as Angel in terms of speed, agility and fighting skill, and again, Angel(us) made the Beast look foolish when he used his speed to his advantage. So Wolvie can rush in, duck a slow punch from the Beast and put three claws into his heart, thus dropping (arguably) the best character on that team after the top four in, literally, a few seconds. No exaggeration, no nonsense. This frees him up to help out elsewhere, tipping the scales on other matches and so forth.

    But wait, I have an even better one. Angel is not affected by electricity. It just doesn't hurt him. Not one bit. So how is he not Lightning's worst nightmare in that fight? Lightning really never displayed much in the way of hand-to-hand combat in the movie, usually just relying entirely on his powers (except when slashing up some nobody yellow turbans early on). So Angel, from everything I've seen, is a vastly superior fighter and can just run right through any blast Lightning throws his way and skewer him, again ending one of the more powerful members of that team outside of the top four within mere moments, again freeing up someone to help out elsewhere. The character in the fourteenth slot of AKWR can easily dispatch the character in the fourth slot. Not that a character's power is determined by where they were drafted, but that's pretty big tell on how things are going to play out overall, IMO.

    I'll stop there, but those aren't the only specifically huge matchup problems I saw for EM in that match (conversely, I saw precious little in the way of exploitable matchups for EM, further compounded by the fact that, even if there were a bunch of them, they'd be less likely to happen thanks to their inferior cohesion). Compile all those with the three best fighters being on AKWR, and I see them coming out that match with as many as thirteen surviving characters in a best case scenario, and in a worst case, eleven surviving characters. Even worst case, how is that not a blowout?

    Again, I'm not setting out to kick the crap out of a beaten team after the fact, but yeah... I just don't see how you can say that match is at all close. *shrug* And btw, I do think it was pretty awesome that Despised even managed to push it to teams, so actually, great job there indeed.
  8. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    I'm having a bit of comp trouble. Numbers will be in shortly.
  9. Mikaboshi Force Ghost

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    Tell me about it, I was happy as a clam to just get past Talon_Kenobi....which in large part was thanks to luck and the fact that Zizz wasn't paying attention to trumps/forfeits when our first set of #'s came in.

    To not get totally slammed by Vegeta's team was really just icing on the cake.
  10. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    Let's see what happens. Numbers in.
  11. Zizz Jedi Master

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    Four.

    FINALS!!!!!!!

    Team Sea Slug vs Angry Kids with Rocks (4)

    Location: Evacuated Time Square (Heroes)
    Jango Fett (Star Wars) *Prepared* vs Minerva McGonagall (Harry Potter) TRUMPED with Frozone (The Incredibles)
  12. EmpireForever Chosen One

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  13. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    Do I need to say anything, or does Jango have this one as wrapped up as I think he does?
  14. Shadow_of_Durron Jedi Grand Master

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    Ehhhh, I don't think this is anywhere near as clear as you seem to think. It's not really as bad of matchup for this trump as the Drake match was (even with Jango's prep). For one, Jango's nowhere near as beefcake as Drake was in terms of likely being able to shrug off a standard Potterverse offensive spell with little effort. He's going to need to avoid even the basic stuff. And another reason I gave it to Drake was because of his speed. Jango's just not as fast as he was. Seems like he and Frozone are around the same level there, and if McGonagall is at least as fast as all the other wizards and witches were in OotP (and why wouldn't she be?) with her teleporting, then she would seem to be on a level above either of them.

    I just don't see it being as easy as Jango tossing a thermal detonator at them and calling it a day. Not when McG can likely get out of the way and Frozone could probably encase it in some pretty thick ice quickly enough and reduce the blast quite a bit.

    So yeah, by all means, I wouldn't mind some words while I think on it.
  15. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    The one thing he has faster than Drake is his draw. He doesn't need a thermal detonator. Drake's an entirely different beast. They have no idea what Jango's capable of, and a dart or a blaster shot, which he is accurate with from an incredible distance, would put either of them on the floor straight away. They'd be hard pressed to even see one of those darts coming.

    If we're considering that she has the same power as the rest of the Order, a fair stretch, sure, we'd also have to consider that it's not really teleporting, so much, is it? It's perfectly visible. Is she going to be able to outrun one of his rockets? The one with the targeting computer? Sure, maybe, but I think that if anyone is going to be on their toes in this one, it's the other team.

    Assuming he, the quick draw with prep time, doesn't drop one or both of them from the start, by way of several different things in his arsenal. They just have no idea what he's going to be throwing at them. He'll have a plan, and he's crafty as hell.

    This is also the guy with many, well more impressive combat feats than either of these two have.
  16. Zizz Jedi Master

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    I like Fett with the prep for this one. Prof M has no durability feats to her name, and Frozone has very little. The trump is powerful, but one will get taken out early in the match, and the other will follow soon after. Jango has too many options.
  17. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    Have I ever told you how great you are, Zizz? What a guy.
  18. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    So, will we just be ignoring Twilight for next time, or am I actually going to have to go through the punishment of watching that?
  19. Shadow_of_Durron Jedi Grand Master

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    Bleh. I ended up watching it when it came out on DVD out of sheer boredom and morbid curiosity, and even though I went in expecting and wanting to hate it... it turns out that it's not that bad. It's not good, but it is actually kinda watchable, especially once it starts to move away from all the high school blahbiddy-blah and focuses more on the vampire stuff.

    Again, not great, but there's worse stuff I've suffered through. Just in general and specifically for the draft. And I'm not even necessarily talking about the Power Rangers, which, I have to admit, can actually be kinda entertaining in small doses (at least it doesn't take itself seriously). I mean... Dungeons and Dragons? *shudder*

    Anyways, sorry for the delay. After much thought and some procrastinating, I'm also gonna go with Jango. But only just.

    I still see it as being a rather insanely close match, in all honesty. Is Jango quick on the draw? Yep, sure is. But he ain't that quick and I think the trump's being sold short there as well. A quick burst of cold that was pretty much a small fraction of his full capabilities was still enough to stop a bullet dead in its tracks. Granted, he was pretty much acting first in that scenario, so it's not the same thing as here, where Jango has the advanatge of prep. But Jango still has to draw and Frozone at least knows he's there to fight, so Jango raising a gun up(or his arm, in the case of a dart) is going to put Frozone right on the defensive. And while Jango is fast... is he so fast that it's a foregone conclusion that he'll pop one or the other with a dart before it's stopped by a pretty nice defensive weapon? Ehhhhhhh, not really. But it's definitely possible. And it'd probably have to be the darts or a blaster bolt of some kind because I definitely don't see any of his rockets or explosives being fast enough to where Frozone can't react to it with time to spare.

    Same deal with McGonagall. I have to reference OotP, when a witch that obviously has some talent (Umbridge), but who is heavily implied to not be in McGonagall's league when it comes to dueling (and her fight in DH with Snape backs this up), manages to swat away an arrow that's flying at her with what seems to be casual ease. Are those darts of his much smaller than an arrow? Sure. Faster? Possibly... probably.But again, McGonagall is also a fair bit better than Umbridge. Or is implied to be. Then there's other stuff like the relatively simple binding-ropey-thingy spell that Umbridge used in that same scene. There's no way McGonagall doesn't know something that simple. And with a quick thought and a flick of the wrist, Jango could be bound up pretty well, and I don't see any super quick and easy option for him to get out of something like that. Not without getting encased in ice first. And while he'll probably have a solution for that, it could give the trump time enough to work out a quick and dirty gameplan. Just one possibilty of how it could play out using a very simple Potterverse spell. But then again... yeah, like Frozone, there's a pretty good chance that she could just get hit with a dart right off the bat. And just one or the other is not going to get it done against a prepped Jango.

    Almost convinced myself to go the other way (again) typing that up, but in the end, I have to give a slight edge to Jango's chances of taking out one or the other at the start of the fight. But he's got about zero room for error from my point of view.
  20. Tyi-Maet_Nefer Force Ghost

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    Shurron is right, it's not actually horrible. Fresh characters that are reasonably powerful are always good to have I think -- just so it's not the same old each time. How many of the vampires we want to add in would be a good question when the time comes.
  21. Zizz Jedi Master

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    Ten.

    FINALS!!!!!!!

    Team Sea Slug (1) vs Angry Kids with Rocks

    Location: Evacuated Time Square (Heroes)
    Sirius Black (Harry Potter) vs Angel (Buffyverse) TRUMPED with Buffy Summers (Buffyverse)
  22. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    Honestly, I don't really believe Sirius can take this. I'd much rather move it along and get to the good stuff.



    Unless he actually can. I just need to watch Buffy before determining that for myself, but based on the respect they get, I don't get the feeling that he would.
  23. Mikaboshi Force Ghost

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    If he was prepared definately, but without it I am thinking that Angel's speed tips the favor towards the trump.
  24. Talon_Kenobi Force Ghost

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    I will get you next time!!!

    And what spells could Snape use that work on the dead?
  25. Shadow_of_Durron Jedi Grand Master

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    Buffy's actually faster. They just don't show it very often. And yeah, it's a fun match, but I definitely like the trump in it. The skill, the cohesion and the ability to take a number of shots and keep going tips it their way.
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