Saga The NEW official Hayden vs Shaw thread

I know, right? Why THAT was ever tinkered-with, I'll never know.

 

double post...oops!

 

^Join the club. THAT was just a waste of time & energy that could have been used for more important aspecs like ANAKIN'S GHOST for example. Lucas decided to"clean" Han's image instead of trying to bring more consistency to the Saga...*sigh* ...go figue!

 

Shaw over Hayden.
Otherwise, it looks like Anakin gets rewarded for being a Sith for two decades.
If anything, he should look MORE withered than Yoda and Kenobi combined.

 

Trying to persuade me?

Good point! But Hayden makes better sense to me as I explained in my reasons in my original post. How is that a reward for Anakin? if anything is a punishment if you really think about it and for all we know it could be Luke's interpretation of his father's ghost as far as story context, however, the execution could've been much, much better.

 

How is that a reward? How about this...
How would you prefer to look for ALL enternity?

Nobody in their right mind would say: Just like creaky, old Yoda.

 

I highly doubt Anakin had a choise in the matter.

That's for sure! Than again there's nothing wrong with being that.

 

Right, nuthing wrong about it...
But surely, no one would elect to wear that many wrinkles, forever.


How am I doing with the convincing, an all?
Hey, you didn'ty answer the question!!
Sneaky...

 

^ I can be sneaky at times specially when witting but to answer your question: I'm not worried much since I never seem to age!...I'm being serious! and no I'm not convinced even though you have a solid argument.

EDIT: I'm bad spelling!

 

I still get carded when I buy milk.
Even with a goatee.

 

must be the Goatee!

now back to the Topic!

 

Right.
So if you were in the GFFA and were given the choice, old & crinkled or young, supple & smooth?
[face_alien_1]

 

Validation.

Anakin was rewarded with youth in the afterlife after 20 years of murder and mayhem.
Otherside of the coin, Kenobi and Yoda were punished in the afterlife with decrepit, old age...

 

Anakin doesn't need to be rewarded. He looks young now because he gets to do what he wants because he's the freakin chosen one, mere mortals! Haha! Yes, he can creepily glare off in the distance and there's nothing you can do but smile and wave and remember that these are crazy imaginary ghost people. And the force is a bunch of hooey. I want to be an ewok now.

 

I know! He looks po'd just to be standing there with them!!

 

Half of the reason why I consider it to be 'transitional'. One cannot really say what direction regarding Anakin's age Lucas was going for with that movie.

How many irrelevancies or non-sequiturs can dance on a pin? As though Obi-Wan 'merging with the force' changes my point*.

*Obi-Wan's ghost doesn't 'show' an Obi-Wan who 'never died' ...it's a ghost. A ghost is a representation of....someone who died.

There's supposed to be a point in the above post, but all I'm seeing is kabuki theater.

 

Nor does it show an Obi-Wan who never lived. Meanwhile, Shaw's ghost shows an Anakin who never existed.

Not if you could thatch a roof with it.

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He existed to Lucas at one point.

 

I'd be lying if I said I understood that...

 

Yeah, technically Anakin never lived in that form - when he was at the age the Shaw ghost is supposed to portray, he was largely bionic, and almost never as happy as the ghost looks.

But I stand by my interpretation of the meaning of ghosts as 'souls.' They are the 'immaterial' parts of a person, having been separated from the physical body - or the whole physical plane of existence - at death. Even if Anakin's soul was burned at Mustafar along with his body, it certainly seems that part of the point of the storyline was that it was revived through contact with his son - he returned to the 'good side.'

There are depictions of ghosts that are sickly, damaged, etc. But I suspect (pure speculation at this point) that many of these are the types of ghosts that exist because they have 'unfinished business' in the material realm. The ghosts in The Sixth Sense, which immediately came to mind, are good examples. But I think the Jedi ghosts exist not because they have that sort of unfinished business but because they lived and/or finished their lives 'properly.'

Because arguments can be made for ghosts looking damaged, this isn't the whole reason I prefer the Shaw ghost. But that, along with 'Anakin appearing as an older man shows the passage of time, and all it connotes,' as well as simple nostalgia, amount to what I consider a pretty reasonable viewpoint.

 

So Vader blade never made contact with Obi-Wan?
So that means Obi-Wan never died? And that he is in fact a living Force-ghost?

No this reasoning goes against the movies logic. Of the four people that become Force-ghosts, fully or in part, we have;
Qui-Gon, died, left a body that was burned and later joined the Force.
Anakin, died, left a body that was burned and later joined the Force.
Yoda, died, then his body vanished and he became one with the Force.
Obi-Wan???
Either he was killed by Vaders lightsaber, then his body disapeared and he became one with the Force or, according to you, he never died at all.
Even IN the movie Kenobi says "If you should strike me down.." But apparently Vader never did.

If Vader did indeed kill Obi-Wan then it matches with the others. If Obi-Wan never did die then that goes totally against what happened with the others.

Regards
Nordom

 

"Anakin, died, left a body that was burned and later joined the Force. "

I'm pretty sure an official statement has been made saying that Luke burned the armour, not the body

 

IMO it doesn't get any more official than Lucas stating that Luke burned Anakin's body on the DVD commentary.
( In the TPM commentary he also equates Qui-Gon's Jedi funeral with Anakin's, which doesn't really work if Luke is merely disposing of some Sith armor. )

You imply a dichotomy where none exists. Obi-Wan's Force ghost is no more or less living than any other.

Obi-Wan merged with the Force.

 

Holy double-negative CLASH , Batman!

Yeah, Halibut. You know better. It's "official"...until Lucas changes his mind again.

Then why quibble over whether he actually died or not?