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Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Teegirloo, Sep 3, 2012.

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  1. Darth Dreadwar

    Darth Dreadwar Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Indeed. I imagine Ruin was a similar enemy to them, hence them meeting him (perhaps in an altogether hostile way). Their entire race was destroyed and thousands of years of effort put in to vanquish the Sith pantheon; they definitely didn't want to go through that again.

    I do not like the thought of the Force having any agency, but with it seeming more unlikely than not that Plagueis was responsible for Anakin's creation, I do wonder whether these last of the Celestials were responsible for both the prophecy, and the realisation of that prophecy in creating Anakin. And that perhaps Kreia viewed the Force as an evil deity more because of the influence of the Ones whose will had percolated throughout the Force. It would be interesting if the "will of the Force" amounted to little more than opening oneself up to being influenced by the Celestials, and the Sith's focus on breaking their chains and imposing their own will on the Force isn't just rhetoric, but a (mostly unintentional) way of breaking free of the Celestials' cosmic manipulation.
     
  2. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I wonder which is more likely to be canonized: Sith Purebloods or Rakata?
     
  3. Darth Master Titus

    Darth Master Titus Jedi Knight star 4

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    Sith Purebloods. I will go with them because they could use that as a plot to a potential spin-off or graphic novel etc. Introducing Dromund Kaas and the Sith Purebloods who were inhabitants of the planet. But I'm not sure if Dromund Kaas is canon anymore so that might never pop up in a future movie/novel or comic.
     
  4. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well Ziost just lost a lot of...

    ... Life.

    ... And a lot of colour too.


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  5. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Isn't Ziost inhabited in the LOTF series? Assuming that TOR is still part of the standard Legendsverse, and not a third continuity - maybe Nathema-esque rituals don't render a planet permanently uninhabitable.
     
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  6. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It's uninhabited but habitable, frozen in snow and with stuff buried beneath the surface. I think one of the Citadel remnants remains.


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  7. Darth Dreadwar

    Darth Dreadwar Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    darklordoftech I know you've always been something of a critic of Vitiate (as have I, to be fair). These recent developments have made Vitiate pretty karking scary, and perhaps more compelling for it. Have your thoughts on the character changed any?
     
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  8. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    The one thing that would change my opinion of Vitiate would be if he's revealed to have been possessed as a baby. Nonetheless, seeing Ziost transform was cool.
     
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  9. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Are the beasts of Dxun naturally occuring or are they Sithspawn from the Spirit Protector's time?
     
  10. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I imagine they're old school Sithspawn, remnants of what went before.


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  11. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    By "Old School" and "What Went Before", do you mean the Spirit Protector and whoever came with him to Onderon?
     
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  12. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    That's the one.


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  13. Darth Dreadwar

    Darth Dreadwar Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I'm thinking the destruction of Ziost might explain the prominence of Korriban after TOTJ. I assume Sith of Ruin's lineage colonised Ziost so as to make sense of the dark side aura described in LOTF, but otherwise, I think the favour Sith have consistently displayed for Korriban at last has some IU reasons behind it.
     
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  14. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I think the dark side malaise around Ziost by 4 ABY will just be remnants from before mixed in - it may explain why the spirits on Ziost were less potent than those on Korriban.

    Ship survived because he was under the surface, also...?


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  15. Darth Dreadwar

    Darth Dreadwar Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Well, at last my question of whether Force drain (and similarly all-consuming rituals) affects spirits is answered. I suppose the Sith form of immortality is pretty absolute, for survival of Force drain to be possible.
     
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  16. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I seem to recall on Naethema an AI survived but only by being switched off. So perhaps Ship survived due to that.


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  17. Darth-Vassago

    Darth-Vassago Jedi Master star 5

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    What's the issue with Vitiate?


    Could be Boba Fett. I mean, there's not a lot to say he's cyborg or not. But, I don't know. Could be a stretch.
     
  18. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Vitiate has a ritual which consumes a planet and feed back the absorbed life energy into him to make him powerful. He managed to pull it off on Ziost.

    Which now looks like Pompeii, ash and greyscale and all.


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  19. LittleDemon

    LittleDemon Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Is what Vitiate did to Ziost supposed to be the exact same as he did to Nathema?
    Because I feel like the outcome of Nathema as described in the novel Revan is different than the outcome on Ziost. If I remember correctly Nathema was a place that was sickening to force users yet on Ziost this is different.
     
  20. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Naethema didn't give birth to monsters either. Perhaps it was different because Ziost is far more steeped in the dark side.


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  21. Darth-Vassago

    Darth-Vassago Jedi Master star 5

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    Right. I'm aware, as I'm currently active in SWTOR. Just curious what there was to be critical about.
     
  22. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    In the TPM novelization, Sidious reflects on the importance of patience. He recalls how Darth Bane's patience saved the Sith and notices that Maul lacks patience.

    Naga Sadow seems to be an example of impatience destroying the Sith. Invading the Republic too quickly destroyed the Sith Empire. Maul's lack of patience is demonstrated in TCW when the first thing he does is take control of Mandalore. Sure enough, this attracts the attention of Sidious, who puts Maul in his place.
     
  23. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Here's an interesting post from Lit:
    Yavin being the site of the "extinction" of the Sith is an interesting theory.
     
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  24. Huttslime

    Huttslime Jedi Padawan star 2

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    IIRC Kun didn't completely wipe out the Massassi, some of them survived and became part of the Wizards of Tund.
     
  25. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I imagine that Tech is referring to the 'new canon'.

    Potentially the Sith were undone at Yavin in the new timeline.

    Which to be fair isn't impossible even in the old continuity. All the Sith Lords at Ruusan? Obviously not.

    Question in respect of the Sith who messed with Voss - it was a world that was discovered by the Republic at the same time as the Empire... Yet one where Jedi and Sith had fought before... Shall we assume these Sith are also those aligned with Dreypa, Hord and Syn in continuing the war?


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