Amph The Newsroom

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  1. DarthTunick SfC Commish on an "All-Star" break

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    Anyone (else) anticipating the start of season 2 (which is tonight)? Despite the flaws of the first season (certain story lines & characters that got annoying really fast, what's very likely an idealized version of an actual newsroom), I still very much enjoyed this show, in large part due to Jeff Daniels, Sam Waterston & the fast paced nature of the writing.
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  2. heels1785 Jedi Draft and Streak for Colors Commissioner

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    Oh yes. Next to Mad Men, this is my favorite show on TV.

    Can't wait for another season of Charlie Skinner.
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  3. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    "very likely idealized" lmao. how could anyone watch anything written by alan sorkin and mistake it for realism?
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  4. DarthLowBudget Force Ghost

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    Yeah this show is where Sorkin finally went off the deep end with his own self righteousness. The more I think about it, the only TV series of his that I really like are Sports Night (a bit) and the West Wing (despite all the crazy preachiness that develops sometimes, the characters and the acting are just too good to deny).
  5. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    i like sorkin, but its a fairytale world of glib fey-people that never tire

    i like sorkin-created stuff because i always sit there the whole time and think: "wow, wouldnt life be great if i was that super career-driven and hyper-competant and i lived my life in constant motion, taking breaks only to quip and have confusing interpersonal relations with my high-powered co-workers?" i always feel really good watching his stuff and then afterwards i get really depressed about my life
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  6. DarthTunick SfC Commish on an "All-Star" break

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    For all the negative thinking that I do, I don't feel that way after this/another Sorkin work... it's just fluffy entertainment (most of the time). Relax. :p
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    You haven't lived until you've seen Sam Waterson's Burgess Meredith impression. That did it for me.
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    oh dont get me wrong. i acknowledge that its fluff. his work really is the lowest common denominator of faux-intellectualism for shallow technocrats
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  9. Yodaminch Force Ghost

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    Definitely looking forward to it.I enjoyed the first season even though the first five minutes of the pilot sum up a Sorkin series perfectly. There is no way any human being should be able to rattle off so many statistics so fast on the fly. Aside from that and the sometimes preachy nature of the characters, I've always enjoyed Sorkin drama: Sports Night, West Wing, Newsroom and the cancelled far too soon Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip.

    My favorite scene from last season definitely had to be when Sam Waterson is reaming out Olivia Munn's character and every other word out of his mouth is a swear. I almost wonder if Sam's contract specifically stated that his character had to use the f word once per episode. For his part, Sam seems to enjoy every minute of it. :p
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  10. Adam of Nuchtern Force Ghost

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    Studio 60 was worse.
  11. DarthLowBudget Force Ghost

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    Yeah, definitely, but at least Studio 60 didn't involve Sorkin basically lecturing the media in retrospect, using actual events, about how it should have done its job if it were perfect.
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  12. DarthTunick SfC Commish on an "All-Star" break

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    That's a fair criticism, Billy, but for me I can overlook it (for now) because there are enough entertaining elements. Entertainment can't always be perfect.
  13. DarthLowBudget Force Ghost

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    Oh rogue, never change.



    I dunno, Tunick. I agree it can't always (or ever) be perfect, but it can at least not be smug, and be devoid of glaring problems like that one.
  14. Dingo Force Ghost

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    Umm, if they're good at their job they should. I know for my field I can rattle off stats at that pace if I'm somewhere that I've had to prep to be talking to customers.
  15. DarthTunick SfC Commish on an "All-Star" break

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    Then we pretty much agree.
  16. Darth_Arapsis Jedi Knight

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    Somebody should da a tv series about Sorkin's life to give him a taste of his own medicine.
  17. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    I find it funny that this show is considered some kind of left wing paradise. The forces that placed the United States where it is, the folks who ripped us off, the folks who bet on market losses and then caused the market losses are neither right or left but pretend to be The Right because that side claimed things like God and the Constitution to be their side and it worked.
  18. Yodaminch Force Ghost

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    It's not that I don't think a news anchor would know some of that. But to know the exact figures and to be able to literally spout them in a rant strains credulity. It's a staple of Sorkin's writing and that's more my issue. If this were the first time a Sorkin character was doing that, that would be different. But it's a common part of his shows.

    In the pilot of Studio 60, the Wes Mendell character is doing pretty much the same thing but at least his isn't filled with exact statistics like Will McAvoy is. In the Season 2 finale of The West Wing, President Bartlet does the same thing when debating the ghost of Mrs. Landingham. And that's one where I could see the statistics making sense as he's bound to know them for stump speeches. But here, as I said, the pilot sums up the statistic spewing that Sorkin is known for. It's not a bad rant. It's not a bad scene. It's just hard to believe someone could recite that much data that fast, in a fit of anger, on the fly.

    Now, that said, it's shown that Will is a very bright anchor and that he was a former prosecutor so I do believe he knows his stuff. And looking at it from a character perspective, sure that makes sense. And certainly after the pilot where he does the entire show without a teleprompter, its pretty clear that he's a bright guy. But after watching the other shows, it just feels more like a standard clue that you're watching a show by Aaron Sorkin.
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  19. Darth_Arapsis Jedi Knight

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    Please tell me in which episode does he get beaten up by a chick.[face_praying]
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  20. heels1785 Jedi Draft and Streak for Colors Commissioner

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    Thoughts on the first episode of the new season?

    I thought it was a very sharp turn away from last year, and a very welcome one. Seems to be getting rid of the useless romances, and needless characters like Maggie's cousin/friend. Like the flashback style, although I hope too much time is not spent with Will trading one-liners with Marcia Gay Harden. All in all, a much better episode than just about every one from last season.
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  21. DarthTunick SfC Commish on an "All-Star" break

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    I hope there aren't any more silly romantic subplots either, but you never know. I agree that it was a very solid episode... I wonder how long it will take before we know every detail about "Genoa" (perhaps, maybe next week); Neal's involvement with Occupy Wall Street should be an interesting storyline. I'm sure, obviously, you noticed the new/subdued opening credits... a vast improvement over the first season.
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    Yeah, last season's credits were too grandiose and self-important. Huge improvement this season.

    Overall, a solid episode of the Newsroom. Is it self-important still? Sure but so what. It's good entertainment and the dialogue is top notch.
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  24. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    i liked the overthetop self-important credits last season. id always pose dramatically to the music while i was getting my snack together. at some point ill czechoslovakia out this season and see what the hubub's about
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    I liked this episode up until Sorkin went all Sorkin at Will's rant at the police station.

    I like Lisa a lot more than I like Maggie. Hopefully she'll become more likable in Uganda. Neal's experience at Occupy was pretty cool though.
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