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Clone Wars "The Nightsisters chose the Dark Side for you"

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by darklordoftech, Aug 27, 2013.

  1. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Obi-Wan says this to Maul, but I thought Maul was raised by Sidious, not the Nightsisters. What's going on?
     
  2. cwustudent

    cwustudent Jedi Master star 4

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    What do you think?
     
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  3. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    What I've decided to say: absolutely no idea

    What I really think: CANON CRISIS!!!!!
     
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  4. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Maul was raised by Sidious on Mustafar, so what Obi-Wan said was wrong
     
  5. KenobiSkywalker

    KenobiSkywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    :p

    I think what Obi-Wan was saying was that the Nightsisters may have given him to Sidious, possibly in a similar way to Savage being 'given' to Dooku. I have not read any of the books, so I very likely could be wrong about that.
     
  6. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    And why would Obi-Wan screw up that badly? They did know that this was Darth Maul.
     
  7. Circular Logic

    Circular Logic SWTV Interview Host star 4 VIP - Game Host

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    I took the liberty of checking the episode again and pulled out the quote in question: "I know the decision to join the Dark Side wasn't yours. The Nightsisters made it for you." Then he is interrupted before he can elaborate. He never explicitly said that Maul was raised by the Nightsisters.

    So I think Obi-Wan is just drawing his own conclusions based on his visit to Dathomir in the episode Witches of the Mist. But he isn't privy to the information that we have on Maul's own backstory, so obviously his conclusions are mistaken. But in any case, what he said can be true...from a certain point of view, naturally. :p Remember, it was Maul's mother Kycina who gave Maul to Sidious when he was still an infant. Maul had no say in the decision, as he was too young to even remember it. As Kycina was a Nightsister, you could then say that the decision was made by her; by surrendering her child to a Sith Lord, she was the one who allowed Maul to join the Dark Side.

    Nah, no canon crisis at all, methinks. You don't have to take everything Kenobi says literally! "A certain point of view," as KenobiSkywalker kindly pointed out.
     
  8. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Could have been retcon for all we know, cause Maul was raised on Mustafar

    KenobiSkywalker Maul was just a infant when the Nightsisters gave him up to Sidious
     
  9. KenobiSkywalker

    KenobiSkywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    Which could be taken as the decision being made for him, from a certain point of view.
     
  10. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah, I don't see an issue with this.
     
  11. Togruta

    Togruta Jedi Master star 4

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    Kind of ironic, since kids are also volunteered to be Jedi in the same way.
     
  12. DarthJenari

    DarthJenari Jedi Master star 4

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    Yep. No different from the Jedi or the Clone Troopers.
     
  13. Kenobi098

    Kenobi098 Jedi Knight star 1

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    It is a combination of a lot of what everyone has been posting along being based on Greco-Roman Myths

    The nightsisters, or at least Talzin's Clan were reimagined in TWC as the Star Wars version of the Amazons of Greco-Roman myth. They therefore needed someone to take the role of the Gargareans(the tribe of men that the Amazons used as breeding stock). They decided to tie Mauls origins into this by having a Zabrak colony established in the distant past and the human nightsister(like the other Dathomir witch clans descended from a stranded Female jedi) interbred them. According to the Plagieus novel once the the nightsisters regularly hold competition like the on that Savage went through but the winner gets to mate with a nightsister. Once the nightsister conceives she has to kill the father(so Maul, Savage and Feral all have different Dads). She decided she did not want all of her sons to go through this, Savage was already born by this time as it has been stated he is the oldest brother. She gave Maul to Palpatine who was visiting Dathomir as part of his Sith training.

    So Maul was raised on Mustafar by Sidious but he also did not have a choice because his Nightsister Mother made the choice to give him to the sith.
     
  14. Paparazzo

    Paparazzo Jedi Master star 3

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    Sounds like a great episode title.

    I'm thinking cliffhangers at the start of every ad break, mind-blowing battle scenes (read: 1 clone trooper vs 2 or 3 droids?), logic-defying excuses for everything that happens (I'm thinking "Darth Plageuis? Oh, he never died, he was just hibernating. Like a squirrel, ya know." Many canon-rewriting deaths will be vital; perhaps Yoda? I don't think fans really care enough about him to worry about that. It's not like he has a major part in the series anyway. Perhaps Padme kills him in a moment of passionate fury and Anakin has to cover it up because he loves her? So, he calls on the help of his old friend Ahsoka 'Snips' Tano (who else?) to go through months of excruciating plastic surgery to become a fake Yoda?

    Any takers?
     
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  15. Praenomen Cognomen

    Praenomen Cognomen Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, Maul was just an infant when the Nightsisters gave him to Sidious, but they handed him over TO BE RAISED BY THE MOST EVIL ************ IN THE UNIVERSE, DOG
    ...I think it's pretty safe to say they chose the dark side for him.
     
  16. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    The thing is, Kycina handed Maul to Palpatine to keep him away from the darkside. Kycina didn't know that Palpatine = Sidious.
     
  17. hlc88

    hlc88 Jedi Master star 4

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    Err does the Darth Plagius novel go into all this? Just wondering if its actually worth getting?
     
  18. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    yes to both
     
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  19. Praenomen Cognomen

    Praenomen Cognomen Jedi Master star 4

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    I won't say the exact timeframe, because it's a good surprise, but the timeframe goes a bit longer than you might expect. It also has the feeling of one of those books that is concretely within canon, and that Luceno worked with the continuity folks pretty closely.
     
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  20. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    That's for sure. It connects the Old Republic era to the movie era well.
     
  21. Count Yubnub

    Count Yubnub Jedi Master star 4

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    Best Star Wars novel I've read so far.
     
  22. Praenomen Cognomen

    Praenomen Cognomen Jedi Master star 4

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    I also appreciated that it wasn't just EVIL SITH EVILNESS pr0n; in fact, the Plagueis character seems to scoff at old Sith mysticism, but treats Force manipulation as a science and a tool to further his political maneuvering.
     
  23. JackG

    JackG Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Also try and read the Luceno short stories about Maul, too. And of course Labyrinth of Evil.
     
  24. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The Plagueis novel went into Hego Damask's plan to use Palpatine's political genius to have the Sith infiltrate the government, knowing that the Jedi would not expect that. That was most interesting and most creepy to me.

    On topic, I think Circular Logic covered it.
     
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  25. Dark Lord Tarkas

    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Master star 5

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    The Nightsisters gave Maul to Darth Sidious, the choice was theirs not his, that's what Obi-Wan is saying.