Saga The Obi Wan & Anakin Trilogy...what went wrong?

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  1. Yoda_of_Soda Jedi Master

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    Well we all got something different out of that fantastic movie. :-D
  2. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Which was...?
  3. Yoda_of_Soda Jedi Master

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    That Anakin was not selfish in his action!!!!!
  4. FARK2005 Jedi Grand Master

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    In my world, when a person is willing to anything to gain that which he/she desires, that person is selfish.

    Anakin was willing to slaughter innocent, defenceless children to gain the thing he desired the most: the power to save Padmé. Anakin may tell Padmé that he is doing it for her but if that was the truth he would have asked her what she wanted. Therefore his actions were based solely on what he wanted – not what Padmé may have wanted – thus making his actions selfish.
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  5. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    You're going in circles here. My question was, what is your reasoning for thinking that Padme would do the same thing Anakin did in ROTS? Your answer was, "That's what I saw and felt in the movie." My response to that was, "What would that be?" IOW, "What did you see and feel in the movie that made you think that Padme would do the same thing that Anakin did?" Your answer was that Anakin was not selfish.

    OK. What are you basing this on? I have no idea "what you saw and felt in the movie" because I'm not inside your head.

    And @FARK2005, exactly.

    I feel for Anakin in his desperation and his fear that was so overwhelming that it drove him to irrationality (and IMO insanity) but I can't see any possible way to label his actions "unselfish."
  6. DARTH-FURBABY Force Ghost

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    Also, if Leia had remembered someone else as her "real mother", wouldn't she have registered some surprise at hearing that she's Luke's sister and Darth Vader's daughter? Yet, all she says is: "I know. Somehow, I've always known".
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  7. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    Padme did not seem that particularly concerned about the Tuskens' fate at Anakin's hands. And remember . . . she was probably more appalled by Shmi's fate - one month of torture and then death.

    Of course, why would anyone view Padme as ideal? She has never been ideal throughout the PT. And she has made a bad decision out of anger. Look at what happened to Chancellor Valorum.



    Exactly what do you mean by this?
  8. Lt.Cmdr.Thrawn The Other Saga Moderator

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    Finding out you're adopted would be, I imagine, a surprise. Already knowing that you were adopted, and then finding out that there is a second "layer" of adoption (you were adopted twice in succession, by different people), would also be a surprise, don't you think?
  9. Jedifirefly5 Jedi Grand Master

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    Obi- wan went wrong the day he insisted upon training the chosen as a wet behind the ears 25 yo that knew nothing of children esp angry hurt ones like Anakin, the eqivalent of the Jedi Christ, oh no the council wasn't remiss at allllll.......
  10. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    What second layer of adoption? Leia was adopted by the Organas. She apparently knew this by ROTS. All she had discovered was the identity of her biological father.
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