Full Series The *Official* Ahsoka in The Clone Wars thread (general discussion)

Your comment about Dooku makes me want to read this, AFS. Poor Dooku.

 

Problem with the Citadel arc/Ahsoka, to ME:

Anakin believed the mission was not suitable for a padawan. Ahsoka felt left out and decided to go against her master's express wish, not even coating it with a "the Force prompts me" which I MIGHT have bought, but as "boo hoo, I wanna go, too, I can help." She got lucky that Filoni wrote it so she was the "indispensable" one without whom the mission would have failed early one. Rather than a "perhaps the Force guided you to your action" response (well, I could live with that), Plo covers for her and as senior Jedi, both Obi-Wan and Anakin are essentially now unable to pursue the matter.

Then, suddenly she's best buddies with Padme and others; is chosen to teach Mandalorian kids about duty/whatever it was she was teaching them (really - their first exposure to such concepts?).

She's just as but not more than responsible for saving the slaves in the slave arc, but she's the one credited with the rescue. How about sharing some of that with Anakin and others.

I'd have to rewatch or dig up old posts before I can give other specifics that some of you request.

 

Sorry for the double-post...

 

I can understand what you're saying in the abstract, I just don't think it applies to the examples you bring up. What sticks out to me about Assassin is that it has some of the best scenes with Yoda in the mentor role of the whole series, and Ahsoka is in the role of student, so the idea that it was supposed to show she has extra special powers makes no sense at all in that context. What sticks out to me about Citadel Rescue is the Jedi Council (through Plo Koon) throwing their hierarchical weight around with Anakin, and Ahsoka is simply their pawn, so the idea that it was supposed to show that she has special privileges that actually put her on top of the hierarchy makes no sense at all in that context.

I was also not a fan of Ahsoka arbitrarily deciding to go on the mission she was told not to go on and lying about it. (I have outlined a fan edit of the trilogy in which it is presented as if Plo Koon really did tell her to go which I think would have been way better.)

I also think it would have been better to have a scene where Ahsoka and Padme are formally introduced since I believe you are correct that they neglected to do that. That may have happened with another character or two as well in which case I'd say the same.

I agree that Anakin gives Ahsoka more than her share of the credit at the end of the slaver arc and Ahsoka does not insist on sharing it.

To me all of these things indicate weak points in the writing and either don't impact Ahsoka's portrayal or impact it negatively, but none of them impact it positively, so the idea that any of these things were aimed at making her appealing or even special does not compute whatsoever.

 

Re: Plo covering for Ahsoka during Citadel - is it not possible that he's just a bit attached to her and gives her special treatment because of it...?

Also, I apologise for re-opening the can of worms... But I am really enjoying what you're all saying, so thank you all the same.

 

themetresgained

Stuff gets rehashed on these boards all the time. It makes for a good time!

 

Legolas Skywalker

In the eyes of Dave Filoni, she is the Chosen One <3

 

George: Dave, only through me can you achieve a power greater than ANY director! The power to save your waifu from certain death!

Dave: . . . What did you say?!

George: Use my knowledge, I BEG YOU!

 

That's what I see as well. Considering that Plo found Ahsoka and brought her to the temple, I would say that he must be a bit attached to her and thus giving her some leeway when it comes to such situations.
Also, is it anywhere mentioned as to who looked after Ahsoka before becoming an apprentice to Anakin? I would guess Plo, but I am not sure...

 

What kind of excuse?
An excuse to her being treated more leniently from Plo or when Plo is around, then I would say it is an excuse.

For Ahsoka to get off without punishment from other Jedi, I agree it is not an excuse.

 

I could see Anakin and Obi-Wan having deduced from Ahsoka's lack of briefing, that Plo couldn't have sent her - they ask him the question to see just how much he trusts her - if he's willing to "bend the truth" in order to try getting her out of trouble.

When Plo says "it appears that I did" it seems less than convincing.

 

Compared with how big of a deal it is that Plo Koon throws in Anakin's face that the Jedi Council reserves the right to tell his Padawan to disobey his direct orders without even bothering to give him notice, I really could not care less whether Ahsoka got a slap on the wrist in between episodes for disobedience.

The Star Wars saga is about the Skywalkers, not Ahsoka.

 

Of course

 

Eh

 

Dark Lord Tarkas

Oh, I agree about the weak writing, much as I loved TCW, there were far too many weak points in the writing - no resolutions, no consequences, etc.
The whole thing with Obi-Wan "buying time" for Anakin and Ahsoka to disarm bombs by getting his ass whomped was one - couldn't the guy put up a creditable fight where he didn't look like he was being pawned? Bad execution.

Hardeen arc: I doubt there would have been time to cover what I would have liked to see, the so-called necessity of deceiving Anakin to save the freaking Chancellor (good guy, as far as folks IU know). Maybe there was an alternative to the fake Obi death, but was fraught with more perils, or the Council was bound and determined to upset Anakin, who knows - but just a smatter of discussion on achieving a worthwhile goal.

There's far too many instances of weak writing/bad execution that I can't even remember more offhand, but - and this in relation to what I quoted - many did see Ahsoka's treatment as not weak writing, but a furthering of her character, if I remember some comments.

Ahsoka - you know- the padawan who's best buddies with Padme and Riyu Chuchi (sp?), had the foresight to invite herself onto the Citadel rescue because she "just knew" she'd be of help...

As for Plo: I believe he was rather attached to her, but I don't have a good handle on his character. Would he act on his attachment? In Filoni's hands, apparently.

 

That's a gross thought on multiple levels.

 

I've already said in above posts that I also wasn't a fan of that choice and it would have been way, way better if Plo Koon actually had told her to go all along. That doesn't change my statement about how relatively little I care about that compared with the Jedi Council/Anakin Skywalker hierarchy smack-down.

 

The thought that just popped into my said is so awful I don't wish to share it...

I'm sure he'd still call her, "Li'l Soka," to add to the creepiness.

Really the only good things about the Citadel arc were the interactions between Anakin and Tarkin.