ST The Sanctuary - (Dissenters Unite! - Warning on page 232)

I thought ‘Mary Sue’ could get you in trouble when discussing Rey in TFA.

My complaint is the movie ended. I was so angry I walked out of the theater after the credits had ended.

 

Look at it this way: There are two main characters, equal in strength on opposite sides of the spectrum, who share a significant bond that will likely lead to them ending the story in an unexpected way... together.
One of them is a Skywalker by blood, the other is one in spirit. Possibly, they will both be Skywalkers in both name and spirit before the end...

 

Sorry I took so long to answer. This song.

They play a snippet on Canto Bight @ 59s:


It's actually listed on the ending credits.

 

Sorry I took so long to answer. This song.

They play a snippet on Canto Bight @ 59s:


It's actually listed on the ending credits.

 

For me my original disappointment was that after years of speculating about who Snoke might be and who are Rey's parents, we got both answers very close to one another and both were ****. It apparently doesn't matter about Snoke, where he got his powers, how he led the first order to power etc and Rey is a nobody. I get that I can't hate on a film because it didn't do what I wanted it to, but this did seem a bit like a middle finger to the fan base. Now my other list of gripes:


If the FO can destroy the Resistance base with a dreadnought within 5 minutes of this film, why not do it at the end of 7 instead of spending hours charging Star Killer Base?

Rey's story line took days while the Resistance's took a few hours

The whole random casino/horses plot was just *****

The over-convenience of them finding another hacker in their cell, who just so happens to wait for them to arrive before he escapes?

No real showdown between Luke and Ren. As well as this, the man who walked onto the death star and refused to kill Vader because he didn't want to encourage his dark side within was contemplating killing a child... not any child as well, his nephew. Imagining explaining that to Leia.

As for Leia... floating through space... just no

Was also absolutely devastated that Ackbar died... still not over that one.

Why would that pink haired woman not just tell Poe her plan? Made no sense whatsoever



Overall I think I just feel a bit robbed?

 

Yup. This makes me mad. I was disappointed when I first watched TFA because I was so excited to see a female Jedi. It was a nice change. But then they made her too strong in the Force, too perfect in general to be relatable.

I read many theories about why she was so strong, try to love Rey despite her feeling hollow as a character just to be told in TLJ "Yup, she's just that strong for no reason". If it wasn't for Daisy Ridley being so likeable, I wouldn't even like Rey at all.

 

I haven't read all through the thread, but I can forgive the Lea flying through space, I can even forgive the awful Rose character - but Snoke getting killed so easily and early is unforgiveable.
He was shaping up to be such an interesting character - he was supposed to be stronger than Vader and Palpatine ! - well I guess not.

And then showing his dead face with his tongue hanging out ? wtf - just to show that he's 'really' dead ?
Because in my mind it weakens his character and depth of malevolence.

Now we have Kylo Ren as the main bad guy in IX - I can't take him seriously.

 

especially considering we have already seen an untrained Rey beat him once

 

I can't believe that no one has actually complained about Rey doing well against the Praetorians. In fact, thematically speaking, that entire fight kind of highlights the irony of the whole "rejection of lineage" theme throughout the sequel trilogy. Despite the malicious nature of Ben's aims, he's probably worked more to accomplish what he believes is his birthright while Rey just coasts by on her natural affinity with the Force which allows her to do a bunch of things that would take Ben a good decade or so to prepare for despite having the MIGHTY SKYWALKER BLOOD. Taking on several of the galaxy's deadliest melee combatants at the same time, for example.

 

Reading these, i wonder how many members posting these dismissed the complaints of others when the Prequels were showing. A lot of those complaints were pretty similar.

 

For the record - and this is a really strange feeling - but after a second viewing (at a normal time rather than the very small hours of the morning), and knowing what was coming - I retract almost all of this.

I appreciated Canto Bight a lot more. Flying Leia made me cry. Matrix Luke I didn't mind because I knew what the whole "no contact" thing was leading up to. And the score has grown on me to the point that I've had it on repeat for the last 24 hours.

I honestly think this film is so surprising at first, and such a change of direction from the sugar rush of TFA, that it can be overwhelming. It's made for repeat viewings.

 

Lack of character development, some really cheesy dialogue and a lack of any direction. Not to mention *that* floating scene!

 

Honestly, the prequels did a lot of similar subversion when it came to fan expectations with the qualifier being that they actually served the overarching themes of Lucas' saga and ultimately left the original trilogy better for it despite some poor execution. The sequel trilogy just happens to miraculously subsist on the pretense of doing something new when it really just retreads a lot of the two prior trilogies' themes with little to no innovation to speak of.

 

Over 100K voted on Rotten Tomatoes and its the lowest Star Wars movie ever at 56 and I hope it continues to go down.

Good film but bad Star Wars film.

 

Objective measures of audience reaction (which the RT button is not) say just the opposite. Plenty of articles on the net talking about how that is a troll job.

 

Not sure if this has been posted - https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-audience-score-disney-response/

Now eight of my friends has seen the movie and all of them disliked this film.
None of them are "Star Wars fanboys", just guys who fits under the "general audiance".
All of them appreciated TFA and thought it was a good/very good film.
They didn't mind the so called "rehash" since they're not "Star Wars fanboys".

This movie is simply not appreciated by all.

 

I have seen it 2 times now. After calming down:

Enjoyable Pop Corn stand alone action fun Marvel movie. Not worthy to be part of SW.
Good directing when it comes to scenes / jokes.
Very poor directing when it comes to the story
Exceptionally poor directing when it comes to canon and saga.
Non really exceptional actors like Mark & Adam look really wooden.

Continuity mess,
Non logic mess (bombers ????, Super BB8, Maz? - didn't she lost her castle days ago? Does Poe and Maz even know each other?, etc.),
Totally stupid mess: Leia space scene.
Mistreatment of characters (Luke - His death scene is not emotional nor reasonable, Ackbar - why did we get Holdo while we have Ackbar?)
Mistreatment of VII (JJ - You were the executive producer? Have you been on a hangover trip with the LF storycrew through the entire post production?)
Leias mood on the falcon after losing the rebellion, the soldier, Luke, her "son", ... - She is obviously a very happy soul .... OMG
Such stupid directing mistakes must not happen in such an expensive production.
Remember in Terminator one where J. Cameron got roasted for the I'll be back scene when the car had the lights on and then off?
They said such mistakes must not happen in key scenes of the movie.
TLJ: I say there are no twenty minutes without having at least two of even worse mistakes.

This whole movie is entertaining for the moment but severely damages the franchise.

To end with some positive: They boy at the end and the few left on the falcon leave not many possibilities to do it even worse.

 

You seems to forget there is also a boy with a broom!

 

Still digesting the film. Gonna see it again Wednesday afternoon of this week.

The Leia Moment was the worst as mentioned in this thread. That seems way out there for me to accept.

However, Luke being able to project himself to battle Kylo and by time for the rebels seemed like they were showing a new force power that only could be done with a level of power that Luke possesses. I don't know, thats how I saw it. And, because that was such a "taxing" power, it took his life. I can get behind that and it was good to see Luke do a selfless moment and become one with the force like Yoda and Obi-Wan.

Again, gonna watch again this week.

 

reys parentage how the hell was that satisfying

rey didnt experiment with the dark side but i think she will in 9 I wanted to see her get angry

the shirtless thing was a question mark

i hated Luke throwing his lightsaber off the cliff that was ridiculous,

it didn't feel like star wars the force awakens did

 

Rant #3 for this guy.

I would like to know how JJ Abrams feels right now. I feel like RJ almost purposely tried to sabotage him. What does he have to work with now for episode 9?

He lost a Luke / Snoke showdown....or he can recreate that by saying neither are really dead which could come off cheesy w/o a lot of creativity.
He has to now deal with this Rey / KR meets Twilight dynamic that RJ created. What do you do with that?
He has to make KR suddenly look capable of heading the FO when he doesn't seem like he has a tactical bone in his body.
He has this awkward Finn / Rose thing going now. NOBODY has interest, JMO.
What about the Maz Kanata how did she obtain Anakin's lightsaber cliffhanger? Does it even matter anymore?

So many loose ends. The only way RJ could make his 3rd trilogy worse than this is if he decided to make SW the musical. Maybe KR could stand on top of a Tie Fighter & sing Grease Lightning.

Or since he doesn't seem to care at all about what the fans want, maybe he can do a 3 movie back story on JJ Binks.

 

I don't believe that. The ratings is reflected at every Star Wars forum. Some like it. Some don't.

For one side to assume the other is fake is wrong.

Personally - I'm in the side who didn't like it as a SW movie.

 

It clearly wasn't intended to be satisfying. Infact, It's probably supposed to evoke the same crushing disappointment that Rey feels in that moment, therefore putting you in her shoes.

 

What measures? The only measure I saw that showed at positive reaction from audience is the “A” from CinemaScore which btw Magic Mike got the same thing so there shouldn’t be much stock into it. The audiences reactions have been very mixed by every objective measure. Some absolutely loved it, some absolutely hated it, a lot were confused by it.

As for “trolling” on RT, yes some of that is true yes. But there is just as many fanboys throwing up 5 or if you read the reviews some are saying they found the movie to be not that great but are upset at all the “zeros’ therefore they are giving it 5. You see that a lot on Metacritic as well.

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I been calling Rey Dirt for a over a year and I really liked it. The fact it didn’t go anywhere was disappointing. And it won’t in Episode IX neither. It’s a dead plot line.

And I agree with Rey not experimenting with the dark side. She was even really tempted. Not like Luke was.

I actually thought the whole shirtless thing worked well. It clearly showed a chemistry between the two characters and yes clearly Rey is very attracted to Kylo and vice versa. I thought the #Reylo was by far and away the stuff which work the best in the movie. Regrettably they literally closed the door to it.

Luke throwing his lightsaber over the side was out of Spaceballs #2. That and Mary Poppins is going to get roasted forever. Jeremy from CinemaSins indicated that TLJ will need to be done in two parts because of stuff like that.

I actually didn’t think TFA really worked as a Star Wars movie either but what did work for TFA was it was a good standalone movie. It was fun, fresh and exciting with snappy dialogue and interesting characters. This didn’t work as a stand alone movie. It was boring, uninteresting for the most part with cheesy dialogue and zero character development outside of Kylo (which could done better) and Poe. But ironically the character development of Poe flies in the face of what Finn/Rose do.

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But it doesn’t do that either. Basically Rey knew the whole time she was Rey Dirt (called it over a year ago, she is the white trash of the universe) and was simply trying to fake like she is this person of importance. It came off flat and frankly silly. And again I LOVE the fact that she is Rey Dirt. But the execution of what it was weak.

 

Since it is destroyed can't see it matters any more. And I do not actually think there ever was a back story for this. They just seemed to put that into E7 and hope someone else would explain it, which they did not care to do.

Certainly agree. There was so many things wrong with this. Both instantly guessing the correct (?) answer of it MUST be a hyper-tracking-device and get Maz on the mobile phone and get told that they should get a certain computer hacker from a casino to get in. That is like something from Ocean's 11..

Beside, what possible chance was there to actually get the real "hacker" to join them? He seemed like a rich snob and Finn and Rose did not have pocket change with them.

WHY would the actual jet set hacker agree that for no payment break in the most dangerous place in the universe to try to disable a potential existing hyperspace tracking device?

He seemed very surprised anyone found him, but still his old droid R2D2 had the whole map in his memory, but one "piece" (itself stupid and unbelievable) missing. That piece had Max von Sydow in the beginning of E7, but of course no explanation of how or why he had it.