Discussion in 'Literature' started by Havac, Oct 7, 2012.
Didn't Satele age though?
They changed her clothes and personality, but its kind of hard to say how much she aged. After all, this was one of her original character art.
Well, it doesn't help that the game engine isn't exactly the most detailed, and then they ended up making her a kind of Bastilla clone in-game. I've forgotten but it really has been forty years since the Sith Empire returned. Of course as a Jedi Satele could age slower or faster depending on how hard her life has been. Maybe next time she shows up she'll be more helpful and less crazy.
I expect the surviving Zakuul characters will be left behind on Odessen to watch the base while the Outlander and Lana (and maybe Theron) go back to handle galactic affairs. Well, after KotET I knew the only way to go for the "Outlander" was down as they had already basically ascended to galactic rule, so of course the Gravestone and Eternal Fleet are shuffled off the board. And I'm not going to miss Zakuul, hearing them go on and on about Valkorion got annoying.
Whether they can write a decent Republic vs. Empire story, after they haven't really done anything like that since launch (as both sides have been more busy fighting third factions like Hutts, the Dread Masters, Revanites, Zakuul, etc.), well, we'll see.
I'm wondering if the MMO ends in some mass genocide of the Sith species. Because it's noted (in-universe) by Mace Windu in one of the guidebooks (Maybe in Book of Sith?) that they're not around by the movies.
My personal theory is that the war just never stops. It keeps going and going and more and more planets run out or resources and eventually we wind up in a galactic dark age with no winner.
As logical as it may be for TOR to drag all the way up to the Darth Bane Trilogy and the Ruusan Reformation, Darth Ruin rebuilding the Sith from nothing is still Legends canon and they should lead to that, unless Story Group has completely abandoned any sort of Legends canon regulation in favor of Disney canon.
Like I said 2 pages ago, Bioware should test the waters and add into the main quest where the Outlander needs to make a choice to kill a dangerous baby Superior Neurologically Overclocked Kinetic Experiment and see what happens. I'm guessing Story Group is even less stringent on Legends oversight than canon (and the canon Marvel comics have had a few hiccups already, calling Anakin a Jedi Master, making Tarkin have white hair circa ROTS, etc) and this will slip right past them and into the public.
To be honest, I think it may just be time for them to accept that they’re doing their own thing, and to do it. Like, screw it, Legends is over, they don’t have to play by it’s rules anymore - end the game with the Jedi and Sith merging or the Republic falling or whatever. Blow up Tatooine! Break expectations.
I wish KOTOR was set during the New Sith Wars. That way, Revan could have been the character who became Ruin, and TOR could lead to Ruusan. We'd have a clear origin for the "Darth" title and red lightsabers and the difference in technology between the Great Sith War and the War of the Star Forge (I hate the name "Jedi Civil War") would make sense. Vitiate could be a Kunite/Brotherhood of the Sith Survivor if they want to include him.
Yeah I would have loved to see more of the era given all the things that happened, the Sith wars, major plague, break down in communications. It was pretty much the fall of the Roman Empire in Star Wars.
It's possible this era will be explored in canon, but different from Legends. We know in canon that the Sith actually took Coruscant and the Republic outright collapsed, something that didn't happen in Legends going by the Darth Bane novels.
Too bad Star Wars Galaxies isn't around anymore. They could have put that Vader fortress onto Mustafar.
Ruin unified existing Sith factions and tribes, which had been on the rise for two centuries prior to the New Sith Wars. It has not been a case of Ruin rebuilding the Sith from nothing since the Force essential guide released around the same time as LotF: Sacrifice.
Being as have Darth Desolous, cultists in Kruskan, Morn and Phobos’ cult still in existence in the centuries prior to Ruin, the Sith were hardly in hiding. Just beyond Republic territory maybe. The Paecian Empire could easily be a Sith donain.
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Not familiar with Morn. Who is that?
How does that bridge with sith at the time of Knight Errant?
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Sorry had to, but in all seriousness he was a fallen Jedi during the time between the fall of the Sith Empire and the start of the Great Galactic War
Knight Errant takes place just a few decades before Ruusan and the total defeat of the Sith (with only one survivor: Darth Bane). Between Knight Errant and Darth Bane, the Sith Lord known as Kaan united all the Sith in the Brotherhood of Darkness, creating a unified Sith entity again.
edit: Just checked, about 22 years between Odion's death and Kaan's rise (32 years between Odion's death and Kaan's death, but Kaan began to rise a decade before his death according to Wookieepedia).
The New Sith, also known as the New Sith Empire or simply the Sith Empire, was a revived faction of the Sith Order that existed throughout the millennia-long Draggulch Period. The faction arose in 2000 BBY due to the machinations of Darth Ruin, a Jedi Master who initiated the Fourth Great Schism of the Jedi Order, becoming a Dark Lord of the Sith. Amassing a multitude of like-minded disciples, Ruin founded a new empire of the Sith, clashing with the Galactic Republic and the Jedi in the New Sith Wars. The reign of Darth Ruin ended prematurely due to the instigation of his backstabbing followers, setting a treacherous precedent that would plague his successors for many centuries. Nonetheless, the New Sith had emerged into a bloody age of galactic expansion, eventually giving rise to a new leader—the shadowy "Dark Underlord" and his marauding Black Knights. Even with the Dark Underlord's defeat by the Jedi, the Sith crusades persisted, further expanding their territory and power base.
Over five hundred years after their resurgence, the New Sith achieved a crushing victory against Republic and Jedi forces on the planet Mizra, provoking mass Jedi defections and a continued streak of Sith domination. In the wake of this upturn, the tyrannical Darth Rivan rose to leadership, creating a unique brand of warriors—the Battlelords—in an attempt to curb the string of betrayals among the Sith. This venture met an abrupt end, however, after Rivan and his Battlelords were entrapped, and ultimately destroyed, by a Sith artifact called the Darkstaff. In the last centuries of the New Sith Wars, the reigning Dark Lord Belia Darzu created an army of mutated cyborgs—the Metanecrons—during the two-decade Sictis Wars. The end of this period saw yet another Sith victory, but not before Darzu's demise at the hands of the Mecrosa Order.
By the advent of the century-long Republic Dark Age, the New Sith had all but completely eroded the strength of their ancient nemeses. Despite the Republic's imminent collapse, the Sith ranks devolved into a period of discord and treachery, plunging their empire into a civil war. Throughout the Republic Dark Age, a number of Sith warlords took control of their own independent dominions, continuing their violent conquests against the Republic, the Jedi and each other. The fragmented New Sith remnants endured a phase of perpetual turmoil for some time—although still collectively dominating the galaxy's Outer Rim—until the intervention of the renegade Jedi Skere Kaan in 1010 BBY. Declaring himself the new Dark Lord of the Sith, Kaan conquered the warring Sith enclaves, reorganizing them into a faction called the Brotherhood of Darkness.
I was reading the "Jedi Path" book, which is an in-universe book found from Palpatine's belongings in the ruins of Byss after Empire's End in Legends (Funnily enough, I was reading this book pretending to be Rey and pretending this "Jedi Path" book was the sacred Jedi text I stole from Luke. . It makes for a fun game, you trying to figure out what these references to Katarn, Cilghal, Jacen and a reborn Emperor in Luke's scribblings were about--I pretended they were adventures Luke had between 6 and 7, that he had a wide Jedi Order all killed by Kylo, and Palpatine returned and died like in the EU but without the Anakin Solo or Solo twins.).
Anyway, I had a question on this. The EU makes Ruusan seem lost. Jerec doesn't know where it is until he gets a map. However, in this in-universe book, owned by Yoda, Dooku, Qui-Gon, Anakin, and eventually Palpatine, there is a map with Ruusan outright marked! In-universe, how was its location ever lost?? How come Palpatine never tried to get the Valley of the Jedi power? Or at the very least make a pilgrimage to Kaan's last stand?
Maybe it was one of those 37-odd (including Kamino and Dagobah) deleted from the Jedi Archives. The map might not be detailed enough to narrow it down any further than to an area a few hundred light-years wide.
Dooku was the one who deleted the archives though. Thus he (and Palpatine) should still know where Ruusan is (and thus the Valley be open to their use), unless Dooku really was dumb enough to delete the planets without having some kind of copy for himself and the Sith.
Maybe over the centuries, lots of planets have been deleted by different people, with Kamino's deletion by Dooku being just the latest.
Hence Yoda thinking he'll be safe from the Sith on Dagobah - which he wouldn't be thinking if he knew Dooku had deleted its location but he and Palpatine knew exactly where it was.
Hmm that's a discrepancy I never thought about (why would Yoda hide on Dagobah if the Sith deleted it?) I think that Bpfasshi dark Jedi who went bad circa the Clone Wars, who was mentioned way back in Heir to the Empire, deleted Dagobah from the Jedi Archives and the Sith had nothing to do with it. That's how Yoda went to Dagobah to kill the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi and create (or reinforce if that Minch Star Wars Tales story is canon) the Dark Side Cave.
Funny how all these disparate elements can be made to fit. One of the things I love about Legends, as I'm fairly sure Zahn had no idea about planet deletions in the Jedi Archives when he was writing his "Bpfasshi Dark Jedi killed on Dagobah by Yoda" story in 'Heir'.
I still hope Ragnos and Sadow show up at some point.
They don't seem to be using the Tales of the Jedi characters much. I remember when this game was announced, I thought that the Sith Emperor was Gav Daragon, who survived his supernova death through the Dark Side. It would have been neat over what we got--some super-powerful villain that we never heard of before who also gets killed multiple times just to survive through the Dark Side.
Did you not see them on Yavin?
edit: you could interact with their ghosts during Shadow of Revan
Vitiate was supposedly around during TOTJ and it's supposedly the same Sith Empire that was in TOTJ, but it sure doesn't feel that way. I wish that they either tied things in to TOTJ by having the Sith Empire resemble the one from TOTJ and be ruled by a character from TOTJ or they didn't go through the pretense of claiming it's the TOTJ Sith Empire and is ruled by someone who was around during TOTJ.
It’s been 1300 years. I’d be more concerned if it was exactly the same.
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