A/V The Old Republic MMO: The New Official Thread

The Republic is huge. The relative % of the Republic that actually fights in wars is tiny. The Republic has limitations on how many ships and what ships an area can have this allows the Republic to more cost effectively keep control and reduce the possibility of military takeovers. It also allows conflicts to occur that wouldn't actually occur otherwise. The Mandalorian's and the Sith would get squished if they ever fought the true unrestrained might of the Republic.

War also produces certain advantages: You have veteran troops and your technology may have improved.

Revan is in an incredibly awkward position for when the truth comes out fully and as a result would hit issues as a public figure.

 

The Mandalorians came close to complete victory, that's stated canon. The Starforge gave Revan and Malak an endless fleet. That's also canon. And no matter how big the Republic is, the Jedi are not much bigger then we've seen. And they are always a key factor in wars. They were never weaker then during KOTOR 2. Still the Emperor did nothing. Now, I'm not saying victory would have been assured at that time (IMO it totaly would be but never mind that) but what WAS the Sith Empire waiting for before they were held back by Revan? Yet another Exar Kun/Mandalore/Revan type figure to emerge and weaken them even further? Their luck in that regard was already as good as it was gonna get.

Also can I ask what the Shadow of Revan did to improve on the Foundry? That moment when he is lamenting HK-47 and when his own defeat reminds him of Malak's words present the only times when he comes close to being free from his Emperor obsession. Shadow of Revan has no equivalent moments.

 

The Jedi are a key factor due to the lack of true mobilization and power of the plot. Coruscant's population alone at times was around a trillion. Mandalorian numbers and Sith Empire numbers are in the millions to low billions.

 

That will always be true though. You can't tell me that after the Republic spent 50 years going from mostly losing wars while the true Sith Empire aas getting ready the difference was still bigger then when both factions spent 300 years building their forces back up. If Revan convinced the Emperor to halt plans
too covertly nuke Corusant that'd be something but we don't hear about anything like that.

 

How so?

 

Jedi aren't god's. Let's suppose a Jedi can double the effectiveness of up to 500 individuals and can personally take on 300 people. So, a force of 500 + him is the equivalent of 1300 individuals plus they'd be a bit more effective due to human nature to run when people around you are dying . That's impressive and a key factor when the enemy has a few thousand men but, if a million people are in play that suddenly doesn't really matter. Sure, whatever section that Jedi in is going to cause massive losses but, if you have an advantage everywhere else they are still going to die.

You might hit a few individuals that can do large battle meditation or individually kill massive numbers but, those would be few and far between and one could likely counter them with technology.

 

It's an interstellar government that is the question here. 300 pilots are far more effective then 10 billions potential footsoldiers stationed on Corusant.

 

Unless you think Star Wars is the .1% fighting over power I'm pretty sure 10 billion can get together and field enough tech to take out 300.

 

whether they hold together or not means very very little to an interplanetery conflict. And Kotor proves even one warship can wipe out a planet.

 

That wouldn't come into play often because of the need to preserve resources. There's the occasional instances like Taris or Alderaan, but most of the time I'd imagine that am attacking force would rather fight a large planetary resistance than destroy a planet along with it's resources. Balmorra in SWTOR is a good example of this. The Empire could have easily win via orbital bombard, although it wouldn't be tactically smart. As a result, the Empire was willing to loose so many troops.Balmorra is also an example of how a well organized resistance can cause a lot of damagdamage to and even defeat a conquering army, with a little assistance. A planet that wasn't stategically important, might be a different case, but that would create additional problems for the government that did so.

 

To conquer any particular yes, but when it comes to controlling th galactic republic as a whole ships to travel between them are everything and a billion civilians aren't going to have a great part in the conflict barring the logistics to get them where you need them

 

In KOTOR you have an entire fleet razing a planet that is already under the fleets control. Taris leaders instead of trying to lead or mount a defense put themselves into Carbonite.

You'll notice in SWTOR a fleet fails to raze a temple and the people in it.

Ship's aren't some magical creation that take forever to make. While a capital might be beyond a planets infrastructure I'd suspect most worlds could churn out uglies.

 

warships, training crews to use them and troop transport for those trillions of citizens mentioned here, that does take forever. There is a reason why the wars over Republic came down to the 1%. A war over a galaxy is not primarily a ground war. Outside of Jedi battle meditation most people aren't ace pilots, boardgunners shipwrghts or hyperdrive engineers, navigationspecialists.

 

What the heck are you people even arguing about?

 

These are the seeming Old Republic battlefleet strengths

True Sith Empire 300 years before TOR>Revan's post Star Forge>Revan's pre Star Forge>Mandalorians>Republic>>>>True Sith Empire 300 years before TOR

Either the Sith Empire was right to hide and the Republic just kinda let the Mandos and Revan walk all over them for years, or Revan truly was working for the Emperor whose Empire at the time was too weak to have much chance at all of conquering the galaxy without the might of the Star Forge or the Emperor is the threat Revan thought he is but because they were so isolated on Dromund Kaas, they didn't know the Republic was ripe for the taking after KOTOR and missed their chance. But this rock paper scissors logic on the other hand that does not work for me.

 

Star Wars has massive populations but limited numbers of individuals that are actually involved in combat.

This either means that the galaxies battles are decided by the ridiculously uber rich, that majority of individuals don't care enough to fight, the majority of the individuals in the galaxy lack the skill to fight, or that the Republic has set limits to fleet sizes.

As I believe every individual should have the potential to matter I support the later case.

By limiting the size of the fleet you save massive amounts of money on budgeting and reduce the potential of the fleet revolting as it can be replaced and destroyed if the need arises. But, you dramatically increase the amount of damage minor threats can do to you.

 

It could well be simpler than that. Real militaries are generally only a small fraction of their nation's population.

 

Thanks to the Star Forge Revan and Malak had infinite resources for three years of making war on the Republic as the narration of KOTOR says. That's not a minor threat. The Republic's population speaks towards their capacity to rebuilt their forces, it doesn't mean their immeadiate threat response is all but untouched. So why send Mandalore and Revan to soften up the Republic at all if you're gonna let the victor rebuild/consolidate their position afterwards?

 

You might find the Jedi Covenant interesting. They used violence frequently and without provocation yet despised Sith holocrons.

 

That was well over five years later. The Jedi Civil War was, as Goto sees it, won by the Sith and basically heralded the end of the Republic barring a miraculous restoration effort on Telos but Revan wasn't captured by Vitiate until after Meetra could show up to die at his side. Vitiate sent Mandalore, Revan and Malak to attack the Republic but even tho it heralded maximum results (they ****ed the Republic but didn't survive as Sith Lords to claim rule for themselves and fight Vitiate for control), he was already not actually doing anything of consequence for quite a while before Revan stopped him.

 

Traya, Sion and Nihilus grabbed power among Revan's Sith, which they were previously not part of because of a power vacuum. That already is a result of the True Sith's complecency. And who the hell cares about Malachor V?



This is never gonna be a place of power again. It makes a pretty metal liar but that's it. I can forgive a crazy droid Like G0-T0 for not seeing the obvious flaws but not Vitiate and the Dark Council.

And if Revan and Malak left such resources behind, why did Sion and Nihilus have to do nearly everything with a single banged up Destroyer left over from the Jedi Civil War? The same ship that Sion trucked around in is the same sole ship Nihilus used against Telos, resulting in his demise when the Exile and a crackteam of Mandalorians boarded and scuttled it. The True Sith Empire had supposedly grown to be nearly the same size as Naga Sadow's at it's height just in the Unknown Regions.

 

Can anybody tell me the state of the issue of same sex companion relationships. I believe there's one male and one female available at this point am I right? If I were to start from the beginning is there a certain path/race/whatever I should follow for that character/storyline?
Thanks for any help!