The Old Republic Timeline Video Discussion Thread - Rebirth of the Sith Empire

This is the Old Republic Timeline Video Discussion Thread, discussing the Timeline entries made by Master Gnost-Dural.

So far we have had 5 entries, all using the time notation 'Before the Treaty of Coruscant', and one depicting the moment of the Treaty.

ATC 0 - The Treaty of Coruscant

BTC 7- The Mandalorian Blockade is Broken

BTC 8 - The Return of the Mandalorians

BTC 14 - The Empire Changes Strategy

BTC 18 - The Battle of Bothawui

BTC 28 - Onslaught of the Sith Empire

BTC 103 - Peace for the Republic?

BTC 303 - The Jedi Civil War

BTC 311 - The Mandalorian Wars

BTC 347 - The Exar Kun War

BTC 1251 - Rebirth of the Sith Empire

"Then our allies turned on us"

Okay. I wasn't the only guy whose first thought leapt to "TIME LORDS!" at the two guys in the background, right?

I love the shot of the Sith Lord overlooking the Valley of the Dark Lords.

My one beef with the last video was Belkaden. Sernpidal and Ruuria made some sense, but not Belkaden, as it didn't appear to have had any evidence of government. Sernpidal, at least, was a part of Revan's Sith Empire... I hope we see Sernpidal, if we were going to see any of those three.

I am ridiculously looking forward to the retcons of the Exar Kun War, for some reason.

I'm not remotely big on planetary continuity.

It'll certainly be interesting. Though I maintain that no retcons - as in the "changing of events" - are actually needed. It's a simple matter to shoehorn in an extra period, even an extended period, of time between Ulic's rescue from Coruscant and Mandalore revealing Aleema's treachery. You just need to assume that it took Indomitable a few months to put together irrefutable evidence.

But, uh, if you're referring exclusively to retcons to do with the Sith Emperor... then, yes, I agree -- I'm looking forward to/mildly dreading seeing what happens in that regard.

I think it'll be nothing more than what we 'assumed' was Marka Ragnos is revealed to actually be the Sith Emperor speaking to Kun and Ulic, myself. But we'll see. I imagine he recruits Sith during the time period, otherwise. There might be some more info about his efforts in the Mando War, too, I also expect.

Which would actually make a GREAT DEAL MORE SENSE than the original Marka Ragnos retcon. Honestly, when a sourcebook is making judgement calls on identity based on a guy's headdress as opposed to the text's description of him (the reigning Dark Lord in the period following Sadow) you know something's gone wrong.

Exactly so. It will just be something the Sith Emperor left behind, in anticipation. When everything comes together, he nudges along the Mandalorians, then grabs Revan and etc. I didn't recall that exact quote, mind you. I might have to check TotJ as that is a golden quote.

I actually would like it to be Naga Sadow, considering the fluff around his death/survival following stasis/spirit survival something or other. Especially as he's being built up as a half-decent villain in the newest material.

No. They're Time Lords.

The spirit talking to them has one of the most memorable quotes in the EU, figured they wanted to give Marka something to back up his cred

Considering we only have, I think, IU, Freedon Nadd's word? But, we can see, I guess. Oh, I don't buy IGN's report at all, but indeed, with regards to the new material.

It was confirmed a few months ago that the Sith Emperor isn't Naga Sadow.

What spirit?

Supplementary materials aside, there is no spirit involved in the annointing of Exar Kun and Ulic. The very idea that they were annointed by a spirit is a retcon in itself. What we witness, and what is described, is an ancient Dark Lord fighting his own battles against the Jedi who, from his own time, delivers a message through the amulets and interacts with another time.

Flow-walking? Eh...

Pretty close, at any rate. In fact, it meshes surprisingly well with how Jacen's flow-walks into the future and "fixing" things are handled in DNT.

And, when viewed in that light, it becomes a billion times cooler. The Sith know they're going to lose, so they're ensuring their return is inevitable.

It's interesting, isn't it? It's also quite concerning. Is it a good thing that the Sith fixed the future, plot-wise?

But, it's also very cool, yes.

Well, whatever, it's still an awesome line

Touché.

So, you saw me pointing out that Marka Ragnos as the Dark Lord who annoints Ulic/Exar, and the Dark Lord being a spirit, were retcons/mistakes - which in itself implies I'm more than aware of how continuity currently stands - and you butt in to say, ""Yes, but it's how it stands even if it's a retcon".

No **** Sherlock.

[face_golfclap]

Just to reclarify:

Though, reconciling all of it isn't impossible, given that Marka Ragnos can body hop.