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Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sinrebirth, Aug 18, 2015.

  1. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Maul's return kind of contradicted non-CW material though - like the TPM junior novelization in which Obi-Wan senses his death after his fall.
     
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  2. DigitalMessiah

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    Characters have a thing called fallibility
     
  3. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    Maybe he sensed Plagueis' death.


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  4. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    The narration was 3rd person and included the words "as he died".
     
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  5. BobaMatt

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    But mostly just in ways that made them suitable for a kids show - I didn't have a problem with TCW Quin, for example, because I knew his backstory was intact. Unfortunately, they've now removed most of his backstory, so his characterization in Dark Disciple makes me squirm.
    This is all well and good, but as stated earlier, this is the sort of thing the EU was already doing to itself again and again outside of Filoni's influence. No one was ever beholden to anything that could be retconned if it made a good story.

    The reason I'd begin with Filoni is because it's all still canon, but was being made within the framework of Legends.
     
  6. Davak24

    Davak24 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Shouldn't be called canon, if the show is for little kids and gonna disregard someone's backstory.

    But it doesn't matter, as long as Lucas got his money and Filoni got his Ahsoka, it didn't matter who had to suffer.
     
  7. BobaMatt

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    So.

    Point the First: LFL has always made material aimed at children canon, probably because the movies themselves were aimed at children. There are entire book series aimed at young readers, from Jedi Apprentice to Galaxy of Fear to The Glove of Darth Vader. If I can accept Triclops, I can accept that Quin's drug addiction and insomnia weren't touched on in an episode of a cartoon that otherwise did an okay job with him.

    Point the Second: it didn't disregard the character's backstory, initially.

    Point the Third: since the EU has been wiped, the character's backstory is no longer the character's backstory. Quinlan Vos and Asajj Ventress and Aayla Secura and Coruscant are all different than what we knew. For all we know, Boba Fett died in the sarlaac pit.
     
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  8. Davak24

    Davak24 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yeah, and I want nothing to do with Dave Filoni's versions.

    It's always gonna be his way or the highway.
     
  9. DigitalMessiah

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    I almost wonder if the loudest complainers about TCW are the people that weren't around in the nineties and saw how massive the changes were not only in that decade but in transitioning to the prequels. I mean, Jesus.
     
  10. BobaMatt

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    But seeing as how this has always been the case with EU material, and that LFL's policy of making all published material work somehow is the premise of this thought experiment, I don't see why disregarding Filoni's work is helpful to the discussion at hand.
     
  11. Davak24

    Davak24 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Make no mistake, Lucas and the rest our guilty as well. But Lucas is gone, and unfortunately, Dave is still there.
     
  12. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    Thanks Filoni
     
  13. StoryWorthTelling

    StoryWorthTelling Jedi Knight star 2

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    I like TCW. I think that would be a good place to start.
     
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  14. Fallen Jedi Master

    Fallen Jedi Master Jedi Padawan star 2

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    agreed in the 90s the clone wars were implayed that involved crazy dark jedi clones that was sure retcon with the movies but now and days people don't remmber it that well
     
  15. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    And nobody remembers when Lumiya was made non-canon. Shrug.

    The experiment is inclusive - your own Canon is your own.

    Fundamentally we have not shifted terribly from making it so that Krytos Trap and Jakku coincide and then 5 months pass to CoPL with the publicised wedding, then 9 months by the end of the Thrawn Trilogy, with the Empire largely abiding by the treaty until Thrawn gets the Katana, at which point the war restarts until shortly after Anakin Solo’s birth, ended by Last Shot, with a Cold War with the Remnant and Second Imperium until the Vong arrive, punctuated with a few months of conflict across the next decade.

    The Vong War lasts four years, and then in the aftermath the Senate falls foul to the First Order via the empowered Centrists. Jacen spins time a different direction but the main thrust timeline of the timeline goes forward, with the next Jedi class killed by Ben.

    I’m about *this* close to suggesting that Solo takes place during the Solo Trilogy, with the third book and Corporate Sector Trilogy post-dating Solo. The Ylesia book seems to pre-date his escape from Corellia, with the second dovetailing, and Lando’s adventures in the Centrality pre-dating his appearance in the film, with the Solo Kessel Run being the one mentioned on DFR.


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  16. Vthuil

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    ...I was extremely confused when this thread showed up recently.
     
  17. Sinrebirth

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    I think it was the thread before The Thread.

    *chuckles*


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  18. PCCViking

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    So, if the newer threads are clones of this one, should they be spelled: Oone Canon or One Caanon? :p
     
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  19. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Oone Canon
     
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  20. DarthJaceus

    DarthJaceus Jedi Padawan star 1

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    How are things going @Sinrebirth ? Any new updates for us, or conundrums to solve?
     
  21. Sinrebirth

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    I’m generally waiting for Thrawn II.

    Otherwise, it’s very generally going as ever. Jakku causes the timeline between 4 ABY and X-wing 3 to be shuffled as the old Clone Wars saw all Padawan references for Anakin shuffled forward. The NJO ends in 25 ABY with the time gained from the shuffle. Jacen splits the timelines. R1 runs parallel to all the other Death Star attempts.

    Solo will likely end up being a con by Lando and Han against Crimson Dawn in my eyes, maybe, but we’ll see, because of the Lando trilogy references alone.


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  22. DarthJaceus

    DarthJaceus Jedi Padawan star 1

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    The Lando References were gold. I like your idea of the Solo movie interspersing with the novels, and that seems to be the best way to mesh it together. When is Thrawn: Alliances due again?

    Edit: Summer of this year I see. I also look forward to it, and I need to pick up the comic adaptation of the first one
     
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  23. Fallen Jedi Master

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    i been trying to see how i can put the thwan throligy and the dark empire into my personal canon but i wanted to asked how did fit in your one canon as i been trying to figure will to put. Them
     
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  24. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    My timeline is as is...

    Battle of Jakku - 5 ABY

    Courtship of Princess Leia - 5 ABY, 5 months

    Last Command ends - 6 ABY, 2 months

    Dark Empire ends - by end of 6 ABY

    Last Shot - 7 ABY

    In short, the remaining thrusts of the war are done. In Legends, most of the war after Dark Empire is over - it’s a Cold War with the Remnant spending another two months at war in the next 7/8 years.


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  25. Fallen Jedi Master

    Fallen Jedi Master Jedi Padawan star 2

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    perfect then it explans way the new republic did not take the First Order a serious threat and also when were the solo kids borning then