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TFA The Orphan

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy (Released Films)' started by Immortiss, Nov 9, 2013.

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  1. Immortiss

    Immortiss Force Ghost star 5

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    I'm surprised no one has created this thread.

    The recent possible revelation that the story will include an orphan girl is potentially the biggest ST story news we've received to date. Especially when we consider that Anakin and Luke were both fatherless. Well, Anakin quite literally and Luke raised by an Aunt and Uncle. It doesn't take a genius to extrapolate upon the idea.

    I'm speculating that the orphan may be a Skywalker descendant. In what way I'm not sure. But I would assume that this person is a relative of Luke and Leia, but all are unaware. There are plenty of examples in literature to support this idea. From Sophocles' play on 'Oedipus Rex' to Dickens 'Oliver Twist' and 'David Copperfield, right up to 'Harry Potter' himself. Some of the greatest protagonists in the history of literature have been orphans unaware of their paternity.

    As you may know I've discussed the importance of Plagueis as the Uber-Villain of the Star Wars Saga. I Are The Internets recently wished that his name had never been brought up in the PT. I suppose it's time to discuss something else, though not entirely unrelated to that Sith fellow.

    Since our 'orphan' has been announced I've been pondering on perhaps the greatest unknown question in the entire STAR WARS SAGA. Who are the Skywalkers?

    In The Phantom Menace we are introduced to Anakin and Shmi Skywalker. Two slaves who were owned by Gardulla the Hutt, brought to Tatooine when Anakin was four and lost in a bet to Watto (the Fred Sanford of Mos Espa). When Qui-Gon reports to Obi-Wan 'There's something about this boy", he looks back at Shmi in the doorway. She offers no explanation but her countenance is one of foreboding. As I recall, she is concerned about Anakin's pod-racing and perhaps the notion of their possible separation. The very next scene transitions to Darth Maul. A very deliberate edit (some of that art I hope Abrams is able to mime). Knowing that Lucas does nothing without a reason promotes speculation. Why that cut and that scene? Does Shmi know something? How did she come to be a slave and give birth immaculately? Who are the Skywalkers?

    As the story moves forward in the narrative, let it explore the past. Fill it in. Improve the story by enriching the newly added characters and material with new and profound connections to the past. In this way a new synthesis is created. Who are the Skywalkers? Perhaps our orphan can fill us in on the matter.

    Thoughts?

    BTW - I know the casting call stated all ethnicities, but that may also be an attempt to throw us off the scent. In the end we'll see. For now, let's speculate.
     
  2. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Source?
     
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  3. soul8luos

    soul8luos Jedi Master star 4

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    I think he is talking about the casting call.
     
  4. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes, and the casting call said...?
     
  5. Beezer

    Beezer Jedi Master star 4

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    My thoughts are that they are not going to clumsily reveal a detail like that in the manner they did, so it is probably a misdirection.
     
  6. Immortiss

    Immortiss Force Ghost star 5

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    I edited it above. Will this suffice? Thanks for the due diligence. It certainly isn't official, but with the news of recent re-writes I mixed it up as such.
     
  7. Ryus

    Ryus Jedi Master star 4

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    To me orphan translates to 'independent at a young age' IMHO, be it through a hard orphaned life at one exterme being very literal with the casting call and at the other more figerative aspect they just have a lot of exeriance with the real world for one so young. The later being anything from just maturing quickly while seeking independce at a young age to Jedi training making them have been seperated from their families only having a Jedi Master as a subtitute (though for all we know this character is more connected to the Imperial Inquisitors just announced for Rebels TV series, or bounty hunters, or living parents who where just absent, etc..)

    Being an orphan is the characters approach to situations imho in the same vein as the true character so the casting director can better grasp the actor being good enough or not for getting another call. Look at Luke's casting, he was talking about trying to find the rebels and acting like he was trying to figure out things much larger than him with youthful idealism but kinda lost as to how to carry though. The confusion of how became dealing with Obi-wans death, Leia took them to the rebels instead but Luke's idealism made him sign up to join their pilot pool right away, and the debates with Han had new dialog but kinda stayed minus that. So just cause the casting call said orphan doesn't mean they'll be one, just that the female character has traits of one, at least from a certain point of view.

    Now the other character strikes me more as having a relation to an adult but seperated from them atm but independent enough to carry on.
     
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  8. Rox

    Rox Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    We probably haven't been talking about it because we all know the casting call information is all made up.
     
  9. LANDO_ROCKS

    LANDO_ROCKS Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It also prominently mentions apples, I assume the story arc of the ST is going to be about apple strudel
     
  10. Bib Fartuna

    Bib Fartuna Jedi Knight star 4

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    Jaina Solo is not an orphan... confused... :confused:[face_devil]
     
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  11. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 5

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    Well I agree that there seems to be a tradition of having a figurative orphan in the Star Wars films... My feeling, if true, is that it will have no real narrative bearing e.g it could just be someone Luke happens across who is strong in the force etc. Or, it could be that the orphan is a grandchild of either Luke, Han/Leia - with their child (the parent) being killed. Or... and I'm hesitant to say this... the orphan could be born of the force. :)
     
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  12. JediGirl_Angelina

    JediGirl_Angelina Jedi Master star 3

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    Well, the whole question who the Skywalkers are and where they're coming from is a very interesting one, but I wouldn't take away much of the casting call sheet. They know thousands audition for the movie and it means thousands of possibly leaking any info if they'd get a glimpse on the official story. So the whole orphan thing is most likely made up and will never be featured in the final movie.
     
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  13. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    Still clinging to my fandream that Luke adopts a force sensitive orphan.
     
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  14. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval New Films Malleus Maleficarum star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    I am nearly as convinced that the casting sides revealed actual plot points as I am that the characters' names will be Tom and Rachel.
     
  15. Immortiss

    Immortiss Force Ghost star 5

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    We know one of the elements in the early ST had Luke searching for his twin sister. A relative. How did they come to be separated in this early draft?

    From what origins do the Skywalkers come? Who is Shmi? Could this be a bearing on the new story? I would like to know.

    Listen, if you don't like the thread or the idea, move along, no big deal. There's plenty of nothing to 'talk' about elsewhere. I like to hear thoughtful comments. Forget the casting call. It may be real it may not be. An Orphan in the ST might be a great idea and explain the Skywalker legacy. If you want to speculate great. There's not much concrete matter to discuss at the moment.

    I think that identity may become an important theme in the ST and perhaps the saga.

    Thank you. I agree. Especially since an Orphan is mentioned. Little Orphan Ani (Skywalker):p

    Thank you all for your thoughtfulness and expertise. Oh, and your sincere ability to extrapolate.[face_peace]

    A Chorus of Disapproval: Thank you for your refusal to speculate.[face_coffee] I need coffee. It's going to be a long day.
     
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  16. Merkual

    Merkual Jedi Knight star 4

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    this sounds an awful lot like my fanfic :p

    I want royalties if it's the same plot :p
     
  17. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval New Films Malleus Maleficarum star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    If your response to people not taking your thread seriously is to be combative maybe we need to give you some time off to get some perspective.
     
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  18. Merkual

    Merkual Jedi Knight star 4

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    Luke adopts an orphan (a girl by the name of Es...uhhm Estellia) who turns out to be a psychotic dwarf woman sith trying to destroy the order from within turning Jedi against Jedi
    it will be called:

    Star Wars Ep VII: The Enemy Within

    (lets face it, the Star Wars are renowned for giving away the plot in the title :p )

    you heard it here first O:)
     
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  19. Immortiss

    Immortiss Force Ghost star 5

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    "Gestapo spank" Ouch!

    I asked them for thoughtful responses. I thanked everyone and gave them the [face_peace] sign. I offered you a cup of coffee. And this is how you repay my kindness?O:)

    Combative, no. To the point, yes. Listen Man, I'm fine. You know me here. But if you think this is combative, compared to others I've witnessed...you're a fair Mod...I trust your judgment.[face_peace]

    EDIT: Any poster here referring to another as a 'Douche' for example. I would hope would be an immediate ban. There is NO perspective in that whatsoever.
     
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  20. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Dunno, it may be an interesting thing if the switch is actually to someone who is not directly related to Skywalker/Solos, but I wouldn't really base that speculation on a vague casting call description.
    I don't think the theory itself is problematic, as much as the "source" itself is.
     
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  21. Immortiss

    Immortiss Force Ghost star 5

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    Yes, now I wish I hadn't based it on that, because people are hung up on the casting call. Not the idea.

    EDIT: Interesting Freudian Slip in the Casting Call?...The mystery deepens...[face_devil]

    RACHEL:

    Was quite young when she lost her parents. With no other family, she was forced to maker her way alone in a tough, dangerous town. Now 17 she has become street smart and strong. She is able to take care of herself using humor and guts to get by.
    Always a survivor, never a victim, she remains hopeful that she can move away from this harsh existence to a better life. She is always thinking of what she can do to move ahead.
     
  22. JediGirl_Angelina

    JediGirl_Angelina Jedi Master star 3

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    Maybe Shmi's origins are yet to be revealed. Maybe she was (knowingly or unknowingly) a descendant of a yet mysterious race in the galaxy, a race which members may come back to the galaxy. Like the celestials in the EU, who left the GFFAafter creating much of it. Maybe such a race comes back.

    Meh, just an idea.
     
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  23. The-Eternal-Hero

    The-Eternal-Hero Jedi Knight star 4

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    GL is known as "The Maker" to fans . . . that cinches it . . . they're inserting super-subtle references into the casting calls to alert "true fans" of the reality of the situation [face_beatup]
     
  24. Tensionhead

    Tensionhead Jedi Master star 1

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    i love jj's daddy issues -
     
  25. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    This should be interesting.
     
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