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Saga The OT is gonna get buried under tons of new canon

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by march162015, Mar 16, 2015.

  1. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    Over time? Sure.

    That is how things become cult. No longer in the mainstream but in their own niche.

    Now in today's age if you are interested you can find like minded people to talk about it but if Star Wars had been only one movie in 1977 and nothing else do you really think it'd be like it is now?

    How is that going for ET? One all time hit and then...
     
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  2. jakobitis89

    jakobitis89 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, I definitely don't agree that the OT is going to get 'buried' but I do think that the likes of Luke and Han and the other big names are going to be relegated to support cast at best - exactly as it should be. That story has been told. The rise and fall of Darth Vader ended up directly tied to the rise and fall of the Empire, with his death and the Empire's collapse that story reached a natural end. There should be an entirely new story going forward that just so happens to have a few familiar faces along for the ride. If Luke and the others serve as the equivalent of OT Yoda or Obi-Wan in the new films then that's all for the best. There are many fans alive today who weren't even born when the OT was first released. In fact by the time the new trilogy is complete there will be fans today who weren't around when the Prequels first came out if there aren't already, and those are the fans the films should be made for.
     
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  3. Chancellor Yoda

    Chancellor Yoda Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I doubt the OT will get buried. For one the OT is still considered a classic trilogy and will likely be in that position for awhile. Also, often when film series releases more sequels and remakes, the originals are still remembered. In fact, there often shown to younger audiences and continue to be remembered.
     
  4. lovelikewinter

    lovelikewinter Jedi Knight star 4

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    The OT has managed to survive the PT/SE era with its reputation intact, it will be ok. The OOT was buried by Lucas, who wanted to shove his PT pandering changes down our throat and still people felt for the movies. The public loves the OT in a way they never did and never will with the PT.

    The thing is, now we have home video and Netflix. So films can still be watched, at the cost of $8 a month for unlimited viewing. So now parents can show the kids the movies they loved and the kids can love them too.
     
  5. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Not like it is now, no. But that doesn't designate it to being buried, or to cult status amongst a small group of hardcore fans. The Godfather hasn't been buried. Taxi Driver hasn't been buried. Why would Star Wars?
     
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  6. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    the OT won't get buried because people will always enjoy them as much as they ever did same with the PT.
     
  7. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    Often, attempting to stamp out something one feels strongly attached to or about will engender an even greater devotion to it. :)
     
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  8. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    They are both examples of retroactive changes to previously established events. I don't believe the Chosen One had a Padawan or that Maul survived Naboo.
     
  9. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    My point exactly. The new movies will ultimately do nothing but enhance the originals but especially the actual original in the NA culture that we live in where Star Wars (IV:ANH) is still 6th all-time domestically.

    ANH (6th) is the only movie from the 70's in the all-time domestic NA top 25 and the previously mentioned ET (9th) the only movie from the 80's in the top 25. From the 90's it's Titanic, TPM (5th), The Lion King and Jurassic Park. ROTS is currently 22nd.

    Thrive is the word you are looking for.

    Why can't you just accept the basic fact that TPM and ROTS were mega super-hits with the audience and AOTC was a super-hit (42nd all-time)

    Why is it so difficult to accept objective facts?

    I don't know exactly what you mean by public. By fans overall yes that is true but then again that will also be true of the new movies as well. I don't see how they won't do something to upset anyone who is that upset by the prequels. They are going to be just as much like the prequels as the OT.

    As for the public we know what the public "thinks" they were more than fine with the PT as all objective evidence of their acceptance shows.

    Amazon BD Sales as of today:

    Star Wars Saga 83 in Movies and TV, 16 in Kids and Family

    Star Wars OT 46 in Movies and TV, 6 in SF and 10 in Action

    Star Wars PT: 77 in Movies and TV, 7 in SF and 13 in Action

    So be happy. As you can see the OT is still more popular as we all know but the PT is massively successful as well some 10 years after the last movie.

    What is there to complain about?

    Absolutely Nothing!
     
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  10. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    By that rationale, you should be annoyed that Darth Vader was revealed to be Luke's father and Leia is his sister, since the first film said the opposite. A retroactive change to previously established events.
     
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  11. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    And that is just the beginning. The complete reworking that Lucas did from what the original ( a term that is loose at best) had and the MASSIVE changes in TESB are quite staggering.

    You could write a whole book about it and of course someone did!

    What can be said though?

    It will be so fascinating what is going to happen when TFA comes out and more things are rewritten and changed about the first 6 movies and then in-between the episodes.

    The weirdo thing about it is when they do these changes that rewrite aspects of the prequels no doubt PT despisers are going to love that and say it's a "fix" but when the same happens to the OT and it's "breaking what doesn't need to be fixed" then what are they going to do? Put a curse on the ST and walk away for good?
     
  12. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    Some may. So what? We're all different. It isn't a war. Different aspects speak and different perceptions form fan to fan. It's not a degrees of 'wrongness' game.
     
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  13. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Those aren't changes to previously established events, they are the development of the story.
     
  14. TheAvengerButton

    TheAvengerButton Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yes, but how can you call that development and the other stuff not development? Personal preference?
     
  15. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Uh, no. That's a retcon. Lucas didn't even have that in mind until he started writing those films. Just like Ahsoka and Maul are retcons. Lucas came up with Vader as the father because he wanted a father figure for Luke now that Obi-wan was dead and he decided on it being a dark father figure. An anti-figure. The first draft of TESB didn't even have that in the story, as Annikin appeared as a ghost to Luke on Dagobah to drop some knowledge on him. Leia wasn't meant to be Luke's sister as in that same draft, his sister was already being trained on the other side of the galaxy by another Jedi Master. Lucas didn't come up with them until he started working on both films. Ahsoka was an outgrowth of an idea that Filoni had for TCW, which also seemed to fit with ideas that Lucas may have had and when Lucas decided that the show should feature almost all the characters, Ahsoka was bumped from Plo Koon to Anakin. Maul's survival was Lucas's own idea to tie into the 3D release of TPM and most likely had a long range story beyond "Son Of Dathomir".
     
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  16. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The difference is, the OT wasn't established at the time when TESB changed things, while the PT had established its era only for TCW to suddenly change what happened.
     
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  17. lovelikewinter

    lovelikewinter Jedi Knight star 4

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    TCW has quite a few of those changes. Look at Anakin's personality for one.
     
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  18. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's playing semantics. ANH was established. It was done and out there when Lucas came up with the retcons in TESB and ROTJ. Those changes are no different from TCW to the PT.


    What's different? Anakin's personality in TCW is the same as it is during the start of ROTS. It's only in Act II that Anakin's personality shifts.
     
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  19. kubricklynch

    kubricklynch Jedi Knight star 3

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    Some of those in the OP aren't really fair comparisons. For example you have Cad Bane and Asajj, both who have been thoroughly developed, against IG-88 and 4-LOM, characters with no lines and about a minute of screentime.
     
  20. dennabfokcos

    dennabfokcos Jedi Youngling

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    and there will be even more hate
     
  21. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    Unfortunately that does seem likely a vocal minority muddling the whole fandom. I had hoped the new content would soothe things but it sure seems some just want to spew nonsense no matter what and it's from all corners. :(
     
  22. LZM65

    LZM65 Jedi Knight star 4

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    I doubt that the ENTIRE saga will be buried by the new set of films. In fact, I believe that the ST will simply be consolidated with the other six films, regardless of which fans preferred which trilogy. There will always be fans of all three trilogies.


    Unless J.J. Abrams will be serving as one of the screenwriters for Episodes VIII and Episode IX, I suspect he will only be associated with "The Force Awakens".
     
  23. RC-2473

    RC-2473 Jedi Master star 4

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    that thing in the first post isn't evidence of anything 'cause I doubt it's a sample representing a majority of the star wars fan base.
     
  24. GregMcP

    GregMcP Force Ghost star 5

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    On the contrary, we have a refocusing on the original films.
    Luke and Co have been brought back to the front of the action again.

    The next few years are going to be mixing new characters with the Originals. This is why this forum is so full of grumpy Prequel fans. They know full well what JJ and Disney are going to be presenting.
     
  25. CT1138

    CT1138 Jedi Master star 4

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    Like it wasn't "buried" before the the dissolution of the EU? ;)