Speculation the political crisis in Episode VII?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by Poli-Sci Jedi, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. Poli-Sci Jedi Jedi Master

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    I've been thinking a lot about what political issues could come up in the Sequel Trilogy and here's what I've come up with thus far...

    The Prequel Trilogy followed the descent of a democracy into authoritarianism. The Original Trilogy showed segments of society attempting to regain control of government from a dictator. Thus, I think in the Sequel Trilogy Lucas will probably want to explore the theme of rebuilding and sustaining a moral society. How can a democracy accommodate super beings such as Jedi (remember, the "people" turned on the Jedi during the Clone Wars)? Can the Original Trilogy heroes build a new government that doesn't get bogged down in corruption? How will the government handle ethnic and alien diversity?

    The Star Wars Expanded Universe has only dealt with these themes tangentially. Some of the books show the strains of democratic governance in which ethnic divisions threaten to tear the New Republic apart. Timothy Zahn's Hand of Thrawn Duology and the Legacy of the Force series both dealt with internal threats to the galaxy's stability due to ethnic/political differences. However, we still haven't had the Maker tell his story.

    For more discussion of this subject, see: http://poliscijedi.blogspot.com/2013/01/jj-abrams-to-direct-episode-vii-whats.html
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  2. Episode Swag Jedi Master

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    I think the war needs to have the Jedi as a central point to it. If I was in charge, I'd do it this way.

    It would be copl to have a Jedi civil war in which some of the new Jedi disagree with Luke's leading of the order when compared to Yoda's leadership. Maybe the rogue Jedi could have help from mercenary armies and such from Hutts or something to make it even. Perhaps even the Mandalorians? Who knows?
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  3. Tan-Wessel Force Ghost

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    I love the political atmosphere and aspects of the movies.

    That said, the PT did a horrible job of conveying the significance and made it about as interesting as any random flipping to C-SPAN and seeing senators playing solitaire on their Dell laptops from 1995.
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  4. Poli-Sci Jedi Jedi Master

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    Tan, I agree, to an extent. I actually think the Senate scene in TPM was supposed to be boring. I think it was supposed to show that the Galactic Senate was dysfunctional. However, I think the prequels should have done a better job with the dialogue and speeches and make them more exciting at least. More like Bill Clinton, less like Al Gore.

    I have a short article about the problem of politics and Jar Jar here: http://poliscijedi.blogspot.com/2013/01/why-i-want-book-about-jar-jar-binks.html
  5. LawJedi Force Ghost

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    Dude, how do you even know what they play on C-SPAN? What, are you like one of them boring type persons? o_O

    I'd love to get involved in this topic (especially since I was a Poli-Sci-Jedi before I graduated to Lawjedi), but I fear this will be part of an impending thread merge with other political discussions.
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  6. Poli-Sci Jedi Jedi Master

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    That could be interesting. However, I don't want the movies just to have Sith again as the villains. I think rogue Jedi could be cool, but I'd want villains who aren't just black & white evil and maybe just disagree with Luke.
  7. Poli-Sci Jedi Jedi Master

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  8. Tan-Wessel Force Ghost

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    Chalk it up to time spent with my other half while she too was still in training as a Lawpadawan...resparked an interest in me that runs in the family.
  9. Episode Swag Jedi Master

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    That's what I meant. I interpret that having balance to the force means that there aren't any more sith. But, you've gotta have lightsaber wielding villains in order to have duels ya know? So I think having rogue Jedi like this would be a nice way to have saber wielding villains that aren't sith.
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  10. Tan-Wessel Force Ghost

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    Ever seen Rome? Now THAT's how to do senate scenes.
  11. Poli-Sci Jedi Jedi Master

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    @Tan-Wessel, I love Rome! That's actually a great example of how to do a political scene right. If you don't mind, I might post that example on my Facebook page. I've been saying all this time that politics in movies isn't necessarily boring, but it has to be done right. It's important to have rich dialogue and dynamic blocking so the characters aren't just standing still.
  12. Team Padme Jedi Grand Master

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    I was thinking something along the lines of several planets are being invaded and the senate votes for a New Jedi Order.
  13. LawJedi Force Ghost

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    Law student actually. Username inherited from my sister in a Dread Pirate Roberts fashion, long story.

    I don't know, mods tend to like to keep similar topic in one thread, and there's been some politics talk in past threads. Unfortunately, they're hard to hunt down.

    Here's a sampling:

    http://boards.theforce.net/threads/government-or-religious-influence-on-st-storyline.50008108/

    http://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-senate-will-return-after-episode-6.50007581/

    Unfortunately, like all topics in this community, they end up with people needing to reframe the discussion around methods of focusing their dislike of the prequels. Somehow its never offtopic. ;)
  14. Poli-Sci Jedi Jedi Master

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    Yeah, true - as if we haven't had that debate before. Like I said, I'm relatively new to these forums. I suspect I'll do most of my commenting on the Poli-Sci Jedi Facebook page, but want to partake in the forums as well.
  15. Poli-Sci Jedi Jedi Master

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    Possibly, but Lucas really hasn't ever done stories about invasion threats. All of the stories have been about internal politics, about civil war or rebellion. The only way I'd see Lucas doing a movie about an invasion is if it led to a storyline about how the invasion ended up tearing the new government apart, like it did in Black Fleet Crisis or New Jedi Order.
  16. LawJedi Force Ghost

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    Sure. But following the Roman Empire analogy, the next threat is "barbarians at the gate." The Galaxy that was at peace for a 1000 years was fractured by the takeover of the Sith. Can democracy survive after evolving into an Empire? Can it be strong enough to deal with new threats?
  17. Poli-Sci Jedi Jedi Master

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    Good point. That might be the next step. Moreover, with Han, Luke, and Leia so old already, it might not make sense to show them forming a new government because that would have happened soon after the Battle of Endor. It might make more sense to have the new government already formed, show it doing well, and then throw in an outside threat.

    That said, as much as I enjoyed some of the NJO books, I hope they don't just repeat that storyline. Knowing Lucas, he'll probably pick out some alien design from 1976 and use that as a the basis of the invading species.
  18. LawJedi Force Ghost

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    I'm not even going to the EU here, but starting a new government in Episode 7 does three things:

    1. It makes our heroes look incompetent.
    2. It diminishes the impact of Vader's triumph.
    3. It takes away their happy ending after ROTJ. I'm not saying the Republic was born overnight, but no one wants to know that Luke, Han and Leia suffered their whole lives to get to the promised land, and then died to make room for their kids' adventures.
  19. Poli-Sci Jedi Jedi Master

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    True, assuming that Mark Hamil, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford return to play their characters. It's possible that we might get new actors cast as the Big 3 so that the story takes place after ROTJ. (JJ Abrams did something similar for Star Trek). However, what we've heard thus far is that the Sequel Trilogy will take place long after ROTJ. So, in that sense we're less likely to see the Big 3 starting the new government and more likely to see whether they can keep it together.
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  20. LordDlow Jedi Master

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    I could see the problems of Democracy on a Galactic Scale look at out own government, Democracy is mob rule 51% being a majority, The need would be for a Noble Republic with proportional representation. I could see them playing up that the same problems that we saw in the Prequal Trilogy leading up to the Empire, nothing that extreme of course, just the problems of corruption, perhaps using Black Sun or the Hutt cartel to some capacity, I know there EU elements just using them for an example before everyone bounces on me..LOL
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  21. Poli-Sci Jedi Jedi Master

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    Yeah, the mob rule element is something I could really see Lucas and Abrams play up in the Sequel Trilogy.
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  22. LawJedi Force Ghost

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    And I think there's definitely some of that contemporary applicability I was talking about to this idea.
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  23. laurethiel1138 Force Ghost

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    Well, in the Title Speculation Thread, I'd already laid out a rough idea of the political crisis which could threaten the GFFA in the new trilogy, and I think it's of interest to this thread, so if you permit me, I'll simply quote my previous post:
    Cheers,
    Lauré :)
  24. Poli-Sci Jedi Jedi Master

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    Did you steal Lucas' story treatment? Great titles

    I actually like that idea. I like the idea of the new government splitting. But I wonder if terrorism is going to be enough of a threat for a Star Wars movie. Maybe state-sponsored terrorism, where some alien race sponsors terrorism against the government and it takes a while for them to realize the new threat.
  25. Echo-07 Force Ghost

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    I've said many times I wouldn't be surprised if Leia is Supreme Chancellor. I also wouldn't be surprised if the New Republic is just a shambles as the "Rebel Alliance" -- now the most influencial political body in the galaxy -- is fighting a civil war with Imperial Loyalists or remnants. (Remember those terms.) Not every alien planet was good willed and open. Alot of them hated other races.

    In this vaccum, this void of a strong leadership, I can see the underworld forces taking advantage -- Black Sun or even the Hutts -- causing even more chaos. Then finally out of this mess I could envision a very strong martial influence, say the Mandalorians, ( a race I'm desperate to see more of on film) rallying the opposing forces to "unite the galaxy."

    I see a battle royale in other words. :p:D
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