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Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Sinrebirth, Mar 4, 2013.

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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    This thread will be used to authorise a poll for the EUC, which will be approved by a Moderator (and posted by them). We can even have debates around the poll.

    Anyone have a suggestion?

    Mine is pretty tame; was Vergere a Sith? :p
     
  2. BultarSwan

    BultarSwan Founder: Grand Rapids, MI FF star 10

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  3. Skywalker_T-65

    Skywalker_T-65 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Sith? No.

    Completely and utterly insane? Certainly :p
     
  4. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    I'd say yes, but not just a Sith.

    How's that? :p
     
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  5. BultarSwan

    BultarSwan Founder: Grand Rapids, MI FF star 10

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  6. Jedi Gunny

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    I think Swannie's abusing the power of the negative exclamation again. :p

    And I'll venture a guess, sheep-style (Baa!), and say no. :D
     
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  7. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, let's look at this way; she created and influenced Sith, even if you didn't believe she was a candidate of Sidious.

    She also, in an out of universe article, completed Lumiya's Sith training and made her a true apprentice.

    I believe she was Sidious' candidate, which certainly gives her a better claim to the Sith throne than Lumiya, who was one of the two candidates of the apprentice... she was nothing until she beat Flint.
     
  8. BultarSwan

    BultarSwan Founder: Grand Rapids, MI FF star 10

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    I wonder what book I can find all these wonderful things in? :p
     
  9. Jedi Gunny

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    It's called the Internet. :p
     
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  10. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    Legacy of the Force: Betrayal alluded to Vergere being the Sith candidate of Sidious...

    Legacy: Claws of the Dragon shows Vergere chatting away with A'Sharad Hett and discussing Sith philosophy with the guy.

    Traitor obviously shows her torturing Jacen so he is broken by the time he bumps into Abeloth.

    This discusses Lumiya and Vergere... http://web.archive.org/web/20100429191304/http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/BtT1

    " It is only through the training of Vergere that Lumiya becomes a true Dark Lady of the Sith."
     
  11. BultarSwan

    BultarSwan Founder: Grand Rapids, MI FF star 10

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    Interesting.

    I have enough credits to get all of those books. :D But... are there other books that I would NEED to read in order to understand those?
     
  12. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Master star 5

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    No, and I can't take anything that says that she was seriously.
     
  13. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    A chicken with a pain fetish.
     
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  14. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    Where are you upto?
     
  15. BultarSwan

    BultarSwan Founder: Grand Rapids, MI FF star 10

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    Um a few here and there actually. :p
     
  16. Force Smuggler

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    I always believed that Lumiya was lying about Vergere. She wanted to get back at Luke and the best way to do it? Corrupt his nephew.
     
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  17. Mirax Terrik

    Mirax Terrik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Vergere is a grey Force-user. I hesitate to call her either a Jedi or Sith. She has her own philosophy and to hell with everyone else. I don't think she was ever trained as a Sith or part of the elite Sith club that's hidden on Korriban.
     
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  18. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I wonder if Vergere was in any way inspired by George Lucas?

    "Everything I tell you is a lie"
     
  19. Nick of Time

    Nick of Time Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Vergere has always been a pretty interesting character to me. In a lot of ways she reminds of an anarchist, in that she inspires galactic dissonance, but at the same time, she does seem motivated by a specific purpose. The fact that her machinations tended to support a Sith endgame, I'd say tentatively yes. However, I feel like a more apt description would make her an evil puppeteer.
     
  20. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    Or his son. I have little doubt revenge was involved, but if she did lie about Vergere, did it matter? She was right about Vergere in that she would have learned Sith ways and passed through them. No boundaries for that Fosh.



    Agreed. There are Force users who are beyond Jedi and Sith. Revan. Kreia, Vergere. Jacen.

    Vergere's machinations are just that; machinations for the sake of it. She's fostering conflict for conflicts sake, in my mind.
     
  21. Teegirloo

    Teegirloo Jedi Master star 6

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    I always thought of Vegere as Grey Jedi with her own philosophy of the force which was quite interesting.
     
  22. Shereshoy Cabur

    Shereshoy Cabur Jedi Knight star 3

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    WAIT....there are books that tell Jacen's 5 year journey?? whowhantwhenwherehow?
     
  23. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    Fate of the Jedi is all about Luke and Ben retracing the steps of his journey, as well as the political fallout from what Jacen did.
     
  24. Shereshoy Cabur

    Shereshoy Cabur Jedi Knight star 3

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    Well I've read FOTJ, but it doesn't entirely cover his entire 5 year journey....does it?
     
  25. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Dropped plot line in favor of more Sith and Abeloth
     
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