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The problem with lightsaber duels in the Clone Wars...

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by CobaltBlue, Nov 24, 2012.

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  1. CobaltBlue

    CobaltBlue Jedi Youngling

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    ..there are seldom any consequences. In the movies, there are always severe consequences; someone dies or gets mutilated. It's part of the reason the movie duels are so thrilling to watch.

    I - Qui-Gon and Maul killed
    II - Anakin loses an arm, Obi-Wan severely injured
    III - Dooku killed, three Jedi killed, Anakin loses legs
    IV - Ben killed
    V - Luke loses a hand
    VI - Vader loses a hand


    In The Clone Wars, almost every duel ends with one party escaping. Obviously Anakin, Dooku et al can't be killed off, but there are plenty of characters who could be either injured or killed. It seems a bit silly that every duel during the Clone Wars ends in stale mate, whereas every one before or after involves people getting hurt or killed.


    SPOILERS

    Obviously the producers realised this and so the Savage/Maul/Obi-Wan/Galia showdown in season five has both death and mutilation. About time!
     
  2. Seerow

    Seerow Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Its probably just my bad memory but who can be injured and killed?

    Oh man, I'm such a broken record with the whole OCs thing. TCW needs more OC Jedi for there to be someone to hack up in a lightsaber duel. The problem is there just aren't enough characters available to injure and maim. You've got Ahsoka for whom it would be kinda cool to see lose an arm (which is kinda cliche at this point) but you can only do so much to her, she can only die once so that's gotta come last. The clones who TCW loves to play up shock value with but while it bothers me to see one cut staight down the middle Freeza style it probably wouldn't have much impact. Then you got a whole mess of Jedi characters who people really want to see, but lets face it can't die or get maimed in the first place.
     
  3. KenobiSkywalker

    KenobiSkywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    An arm in one ep, a scar over the eye in the next and in the last a fingernail or two? :p

    Eeth Koth has got to go before III right? Have good 'ol Grievous come in and finish what he started in Season 2.
     
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  4. IndianaBones

    IndianaBones Jedi Knight

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    Bah, ignore this post please. I said something but realized it was extremely idiotic so I removed it.
     
  5. Seerow

    Seerow Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Not the fingernails. I've ripped off a few finger nails and that hurts like a mother-- ...anyways. Savage is available to lose limbs because he was an OC. I'm pretty sure they decided to do what they did to Adi because of "Grievous Intrigue" and to setup Obi-wan's personal struggles with Maul this season. Still TCW usually focuses on characters whose fates are already concluded by the moves so, there isn't much wiggle room most of the time.
     
  6. rumblewagon

    rumblewagon Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Fixed.
    Also, watch Lair of Grievous and Monster if you want to see "redshirt" Jedi get killed in lightsaber battles.
     
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  7. Seerow

    Seerow Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Great example of an OC Jedi in TCW in action. They just need to keep one around long enough to develop into someone who will give me feels when he dies or gets tore up.
     
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  8. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Master star 5

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    Maul died in TPM, what are you talking about?
     
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  9. Seerow

    Seerow Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "Look, kid. Bad things happen, and you can't do anything about it. Right?"
    "Right."
    "Wrong! When the world turns its back on you, you turn your back on the world."
     
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  10. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Master star 5

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    By the way, I was referring to rumblewagon.
     
  11. GeneralCIS

    GeneralCIS Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The thing that annoys me most with lightsaber duels in the show is, they use the same characters such as Dooku v Anakin which has happened a lot in the show. They had three duels during season 4 alone and neither of them can die so there is no suspense. I would prefer fights such as Eeth Koth and Grievous as we would wonder if Koth was going to die.
     
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  12. Darth_Kiryan

    Darth_Kiryan Jedi Master star 4

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    These were the days....



    BACK WHEN GRIEVOUS WAS ACTUALLY A BADASS
     
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  13. Asharak

    Asharak Jedi Master star 4

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    Any time Maul, Savage, Ashoka or Ventress are involved in a duel its potentially the end of them, thats a pretty large contigent of the active duelists in the show.
     
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  14. Cary_the_Brave

    Cary_the_Brave Jedi Knight star 3

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    Too much green. It must be the new fashion nowadays.
     
  15. rumblewagon

    rumblewagon Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I hate to be the bearer of bad news... On second thought - nevermind.
     
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  16. Dan_Grievous_Tikkes_Fan

    Dan_Grievous_Tikkes_Fan Jedi Master star 4

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    One of the greatest duels in Star Wars history![face_dancing]
     
  17. Seerow

    Seerow Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I don't call 3 much of a number. I will be surprised if Ahsoka gets injured in a fight before the finally.
     
  18. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    no, he is alive, you need picture proof?
     
  19. Darth_Kiryan

    Darth_Kiryan Jedi Master star 4

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    he knows. He's just one of those pissed off people who don't like Maul being alive and GL being contradictory.
     
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  20. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Anybody.

    First, anybody can be injured and put on the sidelines. Why not? Injuries heal.

    Secondly, I don't see why they can't kill anyone. They've already thrown continuity out the window several times, I'm not sure why they can't again.

    Kill Anakin Skywalker. Why not? Just have him come back in time for ROTS. Maul was killed and came back, I don't see why The Chosen One can't.

    Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Yoda, Mace, Palpatine, Dooku.....really, anybody. They're all fair game now.
     
  21. DarthTalgus

    DarthTalgus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The good old days before .......shadow warrior:(
     
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  22. KenobiSkywalker

    KenobiSkywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    If it keeps him out of a few episodes, by all means....
     
  23. Seerow

    Seerow Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    They have already severely injured both Anakin and Obi-wan atleast once each over the course of the series. I guess TCW could always kill and clone someone back to life, something like that would be genuine surprised, huh?
     
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  24. KenobiSkywalker

    KenobiSkywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    Or the Father could come back as a force ghost and revive said people.
     
  25. Seerow

    Seerow Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I can just hear the chaos now.
     
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