The Purpose of Mace's 'Assassination' Quote

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  1. Darth_Howell_III Jedi Master

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    Mace tells us that Dooku "couldn't assassinate anyone, it's not in his character." Later, Dooku's character, and his regard for life, were proven unworthy of Mace's unconditional praise.

    What is the dramatic purpose of Lucas including this quote? Bearing in mind that the film was "way too long," and plenty of dialogue was excised for this reason - why was this dialogue, later undermined, deemed important enough to keep?

  2. Pizza-the-Hutt Jedi Master

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  3. ImperialMarchFace Jedi Master

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    To show that the Jedi aren't as smart as they think they are, and really don't know what's going on.

    "I think it's time we inform the Senate that our ability to use The Force has diminished"
  4. seventyard Jedi Knight

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    i have a theory that the prequel trilogy would have been a lot better had lucas written all three scripts at once before he started shooting episode i.

    one of the things that would have made sense, had he done this, would have been to include dooku in the jedi counsel in Episode I, and maybe have him get into a brief argument with yoda or mace about the role of the republic or the jedi in dealing with the blockade of naboo. this might set up mace's line better, and certainly would have better set up the line, "he's a political idealist, not a murderer."
  5. JustinPeeler Jedi Master

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    Howell,

    Since you never ask a question without aleady claiming to have the answer, why don't you just tell us you think that the ghost of Sifo Dyas inhabited Dooku?
  6. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    Justin it's a bad idea to repost a baiting post that a mod already deleted once.

  7. JustinPeeler Jedi Master

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    My bad. I thought you guys just deleted it because of my socks name.

    I don't think I was baiting, though. Look at Howell's post history.

    Strilo edit: I do think it was baiting, especially considering this little war between you two.
  8. Darth_Howell_III Jedi Master

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    Pizza ? glad to meet you.

    March ? it doesn?t sound like a ?using-the-Force? issue to me; it sounds like A) a specific, first-hand assessment of Dooku?s personality, B) a general statement about the mindset of all Jedi, or C) both.

    70 Yard ? I believe George did have a fairly firm idea of the plot of each film, long before production began on TPM. He could not have truly plunged into E1, without ensuring ahead of time that he would not have too little, or too much, story to fill two other films. But you're right - if he didn't know who all the characters were, he should have.

    Strilo ? I hope the new forum maintains your high Moderation standards.


    Guess that?s everybody? thanks for the responses!


    If Mace were faced with the possibility of assassinating a Sith, would/could/should do so, a ?Jedi?s character? be damned?
  9. Lars_Muul Chosen One

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    Regardless of the purposefulness of the line, it wouldn't make sense to cut a piece of dialogue right in the middle of a scene. Lucas hasn't done that with any scene.



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  10. Darth_Howell_III Jedi Master

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    Sure he does. Look at the "You're soft, sand is not" scene.

    George cuts printed dialogue, and creates a haphazard segue of facial expressions and body positions.
  11. Lars_Muul Chosen One

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    I've seen it many times. What about it? There's no cut dialogue there, as far as I know.



    What's going on?
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  12. Darth_Howell_III Jedi Master

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    Check the screenplay. All this talk about "looking into the glass" and "losing yourself" was crudely chopped, and we cut straight to the kiss.

    Scene 66, as I recall, I'll verify later.
  13. Lars_Muul Chosen One

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    OK, I believe you. Doesn't matter, though. The scene is great as it is and Mace's line does serve a purpose.



    AOTC - what a great movie
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  14. Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus

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    I think it was left in because Lucas was trying to leave Dooku as semi-ambigious until the end.
  15. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    It's also another example of the Jedi being too sure of themselves. "If an item does not appear in our records... it does not exist." Same attitude. A Jedi could not possibly go bad. He is a Jedi.

  16. ImperialMarchFace Jedi Master

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    Howell- I know it's not a direct "using The Force" kind of thing, but if Mace was as great a Jedi as he thinks and as we've heard he is, I assume he'd be able to tell if an ex-Jedi had gone to the dark side. I just figured that he'd sense it.

    And I agree with what Strilo said above me, the Jedi's fall is partly their fault. They're too sure of themselves.
  17. JustinPeeler Jedi Master

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    Master_Starwalker posted on 4/6/05 3:19pm

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    Ah yes! This is the real reason. Lucas purposely left Dooku's true allegiance to Darth Sidious ambigious until the very end when he is identified as Lord Tyrannus./>/>
  18. BareBodkin Jedi Knight

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    I think it was to show he is, or was, a man of class.
  19. LazyDivey98 Jedi Knight

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    Howell.

    Mace is a Jedi, he has great pride in the order. He refuses to believe a Jedi could fall to the dark side. Even the older more experienced Jedi can be arrogant and over look the truth. If anything, it gives Mace character (the dramatic reason to leave the line in.)

    I am glad you have watched AOTC again like I asked you to in the 3SA. Watch it one more time but pay attention.
  20. Darth_Howell_III Jedi Master

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    It seems, then, to be a coincidence that Padme is the one who shows him up... The object is not to make Padme look good, but to make Mace look presumptuous?

    Perhaps Mace has come to realize that a little assassination now and then is doable, even desirable, for a Jedi...
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