Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by JediofAlcatraz, Jun 16, 2009.
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Is Joe Chill a more interesting character than Batman?
And 22 years before "Lord Sidious".
No. But the Joker is.
apples and oranges. Palpatine mentored Vader into being. The Tuskens didn't turn him.
I can understand why you don't like the prequels now. If I didn't LOVE Palpatine in EpIII, I wouldn't be here at all.
"Wanna know how I got these scars? Mace Windu was....a fencer..."
Folks, let's keep this focused on the sequels and not so much on the prequels.
And you wouldn't have to abandon Anakin/Vader at all for the sequels. In fact, you could make him the central part of the story.
But there is one type of villain that hasn't really been explored yet in SW. And this villain would be perfectly suited for the post-victory SW universe.
There is that saying: winning the war is hard but winning the peace is harder.
Or something like that. Maybe I just butchered it?
There is definitely room for new villains:
The TYRANT: the bullying despot, he wants power at any price. He ruthlessly conquers all he surveys, crushing his enemies beneath his feet. People are but pawns to him, and he holds all the power pieces. Hesitate before getting in this man?s way ? he?ll think nothing of destroying you.
The BASTARD: the dispossessed son, he burns with resentment. He can?t have what he wants, so he lashes out to hurt those around him. His deeds are often for effect ? he wants to provoke action in others. He proudly announces his rebellious dealings. Don?t be fooled by his boyish demeanor ? he?s a bundle of hate.
The DEVIL: the charming fiend, he gives people what he thinks they deserve. Charisma allows him to lure his victims to their own destruction. His ability to discover the moral weaknesses in others serves him well. Close your ears to his cajolery ? he?ll tempt you to disaster.
The TRAITOR: the double agent, he betrays those who trust him most. No one suspects the evil that lurks in his heart. Despite supportive smiles and sympathetic ears, he plots the destruction of his friends. Never turn your back on him -- he means you harm.
The OUTCAST: the lonely outsider, he wants desperately to belong. Tortured and unforgiving, he has been set off from others, and usually for good cause. He craves redemption, but is willing to gain it by sacrificing others. Waste no sympathy on him - he?ll have none for you.
The EVIL GENIUS: the malevolent mastermind, he loves to show off his superior intelligence. Intellectual inferiors are contemptible to him and that includes just about everyone. Elaborate puzzles and experiments are his trademark. Don?t let him pull your strings ? the game is always rigged in his favor.
The SADIST: the savage predator, he enjoys cruelty for its own sake. Violence and psychological brutality are games to this man; and he plays those games with daring and skill. Run, don?t walk, away from this man ? he?ll tear out your heart, and laugh while doing it.
The TERRORIST: the dark knight, he serves a warped code of honor. Self-righteous, he believes in his own virtue, and judges all around him by a strict set of laws. The end will always justify his nefarious means, and no conventional morality will give him pause. Don?t try to appeal to his sense of justice ? his does not resemble yours.
The BITCH: the abusive autocrat, she lies, cheats, and steals her way to the top. Her climb to success has left many a heel mark on the backs of others. She doesn?t care about the peons around her ? only the achievement of her dreams matters. Forget expecting a helping hand from her ? she doesn?t help anyone but herself.
The BLACK WIDOW: the beguiling siren, she lures victims into her web. She goes after anyone who has something she wants, and she wants a lot. But she does her best to make the victim want to be deceived. An expert at seduction of every variety, she uses her charms to get her way. Don?t be fooled by her claims of love ? it?s all a lie.
The BACKSTABBER: the two-faced friend, she delights in duping the unsuspecting. Her sympathetic smiles enable her to learn her victims? secrets, which she then uses to feather her nest. Her seemingly helpful advice is just the thing to hinder. Put no faith in her ? she?ll betray you every time.
The LUNATIC: the unbalanced madwoman, she draws others into her crazy environment. The drum to which she marches misses many a beat, but to her, it is the rest of the world that is out of step. Don?t even try to understand her logic ? she is unfathomable.
The PARASITE: the poisonous vine, she collaborates for her own comfort. She goes along with any atrocity, so long as her own security is assured. She sees herself as a victim who had no choice, and blames others for her crimes. Expect no mercy from her ? she won?t lift a finger to save anyone but herself.
The SCHEMER: the lethal plotter, she devises the ruin of others. Like a cat with a mouse, she plays with lives. Elaborate plans, intricate schemes; nothing pleases her more than to trap the unwary.
Are you going to elaborate?
EDIT: OIC. Jabba is kinda matriarch like in a sense. And most of the rest easily apply to Anakin and Palpatine. But I like where u're going.
Shane, at least half of those villain descriptives could be applied to the ever-evolving personages of Palpatine and Vader.
With that said, one of the small quibbles I have with my beloved PT was that, setting aside the forgettable bounty hunter Zam, we were not given a female antagonist. As much as I love Christopher Lee, Dooku should have been a countess. (Her relationship to Qui-Gon perhaps of a decidedly different nature--a parallel to Anakin/Padme.)
Too bad the story's all finished.
Well, the story was all finished 27 years ago, too.
Also 33 years ago.
But this time, the story really is done.
And to underscore my zeal:
The day George Lucas announces production of a live-action Sequel Trilogy, I will replace my current signature with "I love the redemption story!" and "ROTJ > ROTS".
I see you've been thinking about the redemption idea. Why not just put it in your sig now?
The problem of not having the main antagonists is a big one, but I believe it is one that can be alleviated. We do not watch films for the villain, they help, true, but it is the story and the heroes that we enjoy. Surely George can come up with a good character. He may already have one in mind. It doesn't have to be a Sith (would hope its not). The right story will get us all. And he knows this. His empire will only grow larger