The Rebel Flag: Spitting in the Face of Federal Tyranny

Why does the status quo regard the Rebel Flag as a symbol of racism and bigotry? It's about Constitutional rights - individual and family above state territory above federal union - like a reverse heirarchy. It's about community being constructed from the bottom-up, not from the top-down.

Where does the misinformation and propaganda come from? And why?

 

You are a racist, homophobic, sexist pyscho. Why haven't you been banned?


The reason the Rebel Flag is a representation of racism, is gee, because the South was fighting for the motherfaulking right to keep slavery and push its boundaries. Because it became the official symbol for racists across the South, KKK, other white ppl before the Civil Rights movement, etc.



You know, to ppl who aren't from the South, you are basically asking why does the Nazi flag represent anti-semitism?

 

Gee, I wonder who is about to be banned?


I agree with you that the symbol of Dixie has been subverted. It is because of hate groups like the KKK and the Neo-Nazi's who have adopted the flag as a symbol that those of us in the South who owe as much to the Battle Flag of the Confederacy as to Old Glory are no longer allowed to show it.

 

IYiYi, odd that you should take your name from a song by southern rappers, when in a video by Lil John and the Eastside Boys(who are from the same city as the ones quoted in your name), black people can be clearly seen flying the rebel flag.

It's not rascist anymore. Get over it. If black people(the people who it is supposedly a symbol of hatred against) have gotten over it, why can't you?

Slavery existed under the US government as well, should that flag be banned? Portugal and Spain shipped slaves to the Americas, hey let's make them change their flag!

 

Lemmee, calm down or you will win a free trip to ban land from one of the mods.

 

Where does the misinformation and propaganda come from? And why?

It comes from the racist people who use the Confederate flag as their banner. Sure, the Civil War was about states' rights: it was about whether the states could declare some people as property rather than citizens. It stands for a time when our country was divided and bigots reigned supreme. Our country is still plagued by racist individuals, and many people see the Confederate flag as a symbol of solidarity with those people.

The flag is not as simple as a representation of a "reverse hierarchy" where your family and community are above your country. It was flown over the SC capitol and is still included in the flags of some southern states as a way of saying "we're still proud of the Civil War." It's used by hatred groups as a way of saying "we're proud to be bigots." If you hang the Confederate flag outside your house, why would anyone think you were simply expressing your state pride?

 

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See, to most people who fly it, it's just symbolic of southern pride, and there's not a damn thing wrong with pride in one's home state/region.

 

Everytime I hear this argument, it feels like revisionism to me. Certainly state's rights and all that was part of it, but so was racism and bigotry.

 

I have the Confederate Flag, I like it, I have the Southern Cross and the "official" Confederate Flag, the Stars and Bars as its called, of course I collect flags so I would have them. To me flags can mean so much, some people use it as a flag of pride, others use it as a flag of hate. And since its illegal to take away someones freedom of speech, then the flag should be allowed fly.

Its really no difference between the Southern Cross and the "X" from Malcolm X; he was a rascist biggot too, but when people don his "X" no one whines about them being racist biggots, but rather are showing their pride. Lets not have double standards here people, that makes you sound like hipocrits. (and for good reason too)

 

A bunch of slave states who no longer exist. I don't see the point.

It's like flying the Nazi flag in Germany. The Third Reich is dead, and so is the Confederacy. I see no reason to remember them.

 

It's just a bunch of people getting their panties in a bunch. I'm a Northerner who studies the civil war, and the flag doesn't represent oppression or racism. However, some racist groups have adopted it, but theyv'e adopted the US flag, too.

Some people just bitch to bitch, you gotta learn to roll with 'em.

 

I have the confederate flag in my room. It is awesome. I wear a shirt that says Rebel.

The South was never about opression, the south was not much different from everywhere else back then. You forget, the North had slaves until only a bit before anyway. Then they got rid of them because they were not economically useful. George Washington had slaves as did Grant himself.

 

I don't have any problem with people who use it as a sense of pride. The problem comes from the fact that people who are racist nowadays use it, and then it's seen in a negative light.

 

I'm not joining any side here, but let me say that the Swatstika stood for a lot of good things, but was adopted by very bad people, much like the confederate flag. If I went around waving a flag with a swatstika on it, how do you think people would react? No matter what your intentions, you shouldn't be shocked if people don't like the confederate flag.

 

"It's like flying the Nazi flag in Germany. The Third Reich is dead, and so is the Confederacy. I see no reason to remember them."


Yea, you're right. Burn those history books, that's all old news.

 

To be totally honest, I've never really cared much for the Confederate flag. Not much by what it is used for but the fact that to me, it always looked kind of loud and tacky.

But to each their own, if someone wants to display it, then I have no real problem with that as long as they keep it tasteful.

 

I find it disconcerting that someone would either lend their support to a flag or not based solely on whether they like the design of it or not.

But that's just me.

 

^ Um, I never said my support for or against that flag was dependant on it's looks. I simply stated that I don't particularly care for the design.

 

Frankly, the Confederates were fighting for States' rights.

THey wanted lower tariffs, the north wanted higher tariffs. Slavery was only a straw on the Camel's back. The reason they succeeded was because Lincoln, someone with opposite ideologies was elected. Lincoln was for gradual state banning of slavery; with compensation.


The Confederate flag stands for the rights of States to be loosely united under a weaker federal government.

Fly high!

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Of course, State over the Confederacy...

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Maryland, Maryland über Alles! We were going to join the Confederacy, the Union held us.

 

>>The problem comes from the fact that people who are racist nowadays use it, and then it's seen in a negative light.<<

While I'm not american, I can totally see this. Ever heard of "Het Vlaams Blok" ? Well, it's the closest thing to a Nazi party here in Belgium. Guess what their symbol is...The Flemish Flag. That really pisses me off.

 

State over federal. Great idea. I think I'll write up a constitution and call it the "Articles of Confederation." Cuz that worked pretty well, didn't it?

 

It was never about state over federal governments. As you say, that never worked in the AOC. What was desired was what was intended in the constitution, dual federalism. Two distinct governments, supreme in the sphere of authority. Issues that belong to the state are handled by the state, issues that belong to the federal government belong to the federal government.

 

I like your spirit, Obi-Zahn!

Oh, and I agree, it's such a shame the KKK and other racist groups adopted the Confederate flag. but then, those dang yankees adopted the flag of our Founding Fathers as their symbol, and that is a shame, too.

 

Conne, you're from Pennsylvania. You are a yankee

 

Well if Pickett hadn't been galavanting around the countryside trying to flank the Union supply lines again, Conne would've been a Confed.