The "Revelation" to be cut

actually MANY people were up in arms about it - it tops my list as the scene i wish was included. i remember first reading about the revelation and i thought it was genius and profound - for yoda to acknowledge he and the jedi council have been wrong; that he willinging becomes qui gon's padawan learner is amazing. and this would explain the radical change in yoda from episode I to episode V - the difference between the two views of the force. always looking to the future being a positive or a negative depending not only on your point of view but where you are in the saga.

and the question about immortality / force ghost was promised to be answered by george and rick so this was a very big disappointment.

plus - the non star wars fans would have had another reason to jump in and find out what it's all about.

 

I think it's a shame that the Qui-Gon scene isn't in it but I guess Lucas didn't want to use a sound alike when Nesson decided to be unprofessional and not do the voice. I imagine Lucas never imagined Nesson would be so immature and petty.

 

I think the saga is better for not having the revelation. It leaves some mystery for ANH when Obi-Wan disappears. With the revelation in the audience would see Obi-Wan disappear and say "I knew it was going to happen sooner or later, there was enough foreshadowing about it in III..." as to the way it is now, "So THAT's what Yoda meant by 'communing with nature.'" See how audience reaction is more favorable and the saga less predictable this way?

 

well, let's not jump all over liam here - we don't know that this was the reason. there were rumors but nothing confirmed.

 

The fact Yoda told Obi-Wan he has training for him - training he learned from Qui-Gon - implies that Obi-Wan is the apprentice again and befoer that Yoda had been the apprentice. It's basically established.

 

We don't know why Liam Nesson wasn't used. It could've been Lucas' decision to not have Qui-gon talk to Yoda. Don't go around blaming Liam Nesson until we know the facts.

 

but we're missing yoda discovering that qui gon was right all along.

 

i dont think it was anything to do with Neeson refusing & if it was Lucas had 2 options:

1 - use the guy who did a good job of voicing Jinn in the CW cartoons

2 - use the extended part of yoda's sppech to obi1 where he mentions the Shaman of the Whills & the fact that qui-gon didnt retain his physical identity but they could

it was Lucas who decided this shouldnt be in, not Neeson

has lucas ever come out and said why it was excluded???

 

I figured that what would be revealed in the Dark Horse Comic that would be cut from the movie, but would still be important to those who read the graphic novel, would be Quinlan Vos' death.

 

exactly - we miss the scene that basically establishes how to be a force ghost, how the sith will never achieve immortality, how the jedi change their training for the OT etc

i need a really good reason it was left out from lucas

and not just "it really slowed the movie down leaving that in there"

the end needed to go slower IMO
far too rushed and "last minute thought" looking at the mo

 

Don't blame Liam. McCallum said that he was never contacted. That means that Lucas abandoned this particular scene long before he would have had any say about it.

 

i would be happy if we actually just got the extended yoda explanation to obi1 instead of neeson

the one where he mentions the Whills & also says the skywalker twins may be a threat to sidious

 

someone start an online petition

 

do i just set it up as a new thread & i will be happy to?

 

Here's the thing that I never got, Liam was asked several times about this and he played all coy, saying stuff like "jedi code" stuff. Why? was he contacted or made to sign a non-disclosure form? Why couldn't he just say no I am not in the film and was not contacted?

 

i read he was asked if he was in ep3 & he replied "jedi never die"

something went on and i wanna know what!

 

I would love to see or hear whatever, Qui-Gon in ROTS, but it doesn't need to be in there. Yoda simply saying that he has training for Obi-Wan and he could talk to Qui-Gon was enough for me. In the end how to become a Force Ghost is not as important as being one. I think that is what Lucas was saying by cutting the scene. We don't need to know how it can happen but just know it can happen.

 

Don't quote me on this but I recall reading a few months leading up to ROTS that the reason the Qui-gon/Yoda scene was never filmed was because Lucas didn't apprechiate () the comments Liam made about EP2 and as much as he wanted to include the scene, he (or more specifically his pride) had a hard time deciding whether or not he wanted to even approach Liam about this V.O. cameo becasue he took offense of Liam calling AOTC, "Not Star Wars" or "dull" () or something along those lines...pretty much the attitude that most critics gave AOTC.

But again this is purely from memory so DON'T quote me.

Hopefully this is something Lucas could address in the ROTS commentary.

 

Admit it, two hours of Lucas on the toilet and you'd still be first in line.




LMFAO

 

I wouldn't blame Liam Neeson for his not being in ROTS. Lucas owns the rights to the Qui Gonn image. He could have very easily CGI'd a Qui Gonn in and crudded up the image and explaing it away with "Qui Gnn didn't have much time to prepare for his death."

 

I seriously doubt Neeson was fired because he spoke ill of AOTC--i've never heard him sing anything but praise for GL; besides, McGregor actually has criticized the films.

Regarding the reasons for the confusion on his involvement:

What almost certainly happened was that after GL wrote it he contacted Neeson to say "hey, you have a cameo in Episode III so keep your schedule open for such-and-such-date," and Neeson gladly agreed. Hence Neeson's comments. Then, before the scene is scheduled to be shot, Lucas decides he doesn't really need it--probably for pacing reasons and the fact that Yoda's brief dialog mention would suffice (in his opinion).

 

I don't know but for me it just seems out of place the way it is in ROTS...for everything to have happened and then just out of nowhere Yoda's like "oh, by the way, Qui-gon wants to show you something."

As I was watching in the theatre, I was thinking, "okay...that totally came out of nowhere."

There's no buildup or hint of Qui-gon throughout the entire movie and then for Yoda to just out of the blue mention him just is...weird (IMHO).

 

No i like how they brought that up...they seem to love refrencing quigon...ATOC and CW vol 2

 

I have an idea. Why don't we make OUR OWN Qui Gone revelation scene, and add it into the DVD? We can probably scrounge up some voice material from one of his other movies, impose some still image from TPM, and stick it on the window at the Yoda meditation scene in ROTS, and explain away Qui Gone's "wooden" acting as the trade off for being the first to go into the Force bodily.

 

I'm not a specialist of EU, so maybe I miss a few points, but all this stuff about the difference between the Jedi death in OT and PT keeps being a very weak link point between the two trilogies IMO. OK, this Qui-Gon thing seems to be working. It's a bit tricky and I don't like it much, but it might fit. However, there is still something that doesn't fit at all ! How come Anakin becomes a "Force ghost" after his death ?!!?

Back to the time of the OT, we could say the Jedi where just like this, it was part of their abilities, period. So Anakin coming back to the good side could benefit of this ability. But with the new theory established by the PT, how come he might turn to be a ghost ? The revelation occurs to Obi-Wan after Anakin left the Jedi Order, so how could Anakin know ?

Please, folks, if you have knowledge (thanks to EU, interviews, ...) or ideas about this, tell me, because it is currently a big flaw in the PT for me !