The ROTJ SE Finale

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  1. ratmankey Jedi Master

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    This has bugged me ever since 1997, but nobody really seems to understand where I'm coming from on this. Hopefully somebody here will.

    Personally, I always liked Yub Yub. I was kinda upset when I saw the SE and found out it was gone, replaced by "some Yanni new-age crap" (as I put it at the time). Over the years, I've grown to admit the new music IS more appropriate.

    Except for one thing.

    It's the very end of the film. Right before the iris out/credit sequence. Every SW film to date has had a perfect segue from the finale music to the credits. Even when the finale is somber (ESB and AOTC) it still manages to work. Yub Yub worked perfectly too. The strings and "real" chorus start taking over once the spirits appear, and it hits this high note at the end that blends perfectly in with the credits.

    The SE music does NOT work in the same way. We get this little, kinda subdued (it's mixed pretty low on the soundtrack) phrase that's repeated twice, and then we're abruptly thrown into the credits. It feels really sloppy, and doesn't flow well at all. Musically, there's very little feeling of ultimate climax that the last episode should have.

    I may not be explaining myself well (kinda hard to explain music via text) but...does anybody else feel this way? If, god forbid, Williams rescores the OT, do you think this little bit should be altered?
  2. Well_Of_Souls Jedi Grand Master

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    I have no problem with the transition in ROTJ.

    What I do have a problem with is the transition in TPM where Augie's Municipal Band ends in a completely different key than the End Credits begins with. It should be fixed before anything else, I think.
  3. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    Well_Of_Souls I agree completely.

  4. AdamBertocci Manager

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    The ROTJ segue ain't great, but I'll gladly "suffer" through it in exchange for no more Ewok song.



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  5. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    AdamBertocci I agree completely.

  6. Mace Windy Manager Emeritus

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    Mace Windy is dead sexy.

    //crosses his fingers in hopes that strilo will once again "agree completely"






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  7. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    Mace Windy I agree completely.

  8. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    OMG! No, please, no alarms now! :p

    Actually, I don't think I've ever seen a pic of Master Windy, but what the heck, I'll agree too. :)
  9. Melda Jedi Knight

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    Yes, I see what you mean (ratmankey). It doesn't seem to have the right mood, even. I would imagine after the final battle against the Empire (EU notwithstanding) that there would be more of an upbeat celebration... but that could be just nostalgia for the originals...

    I, for one, do not like how it 'segues' into the credits(due to the fact that it simply doesn't). It builts up... hits the last note-- then there's a pause before the credits... start. Not consistent with the rest of the series...
  10. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    In response the thread, though, I LOVE the new SE end music for ROTJ, and I have since the minute I heard it. It's so much more meloncholical and IMO, it really "makes" the scene for me. Especially when everyone is hugging near the end and Lando is laughing and Chewy shouts joyously and... Ahhh, it's just perfect. And it's one the only three scenes at the end of movies that has made me cry. :_|


    Anyways, as for the segue into the credits... On the CD, there is a break after the ending track and the ending credits, but in there movie there isn't. I'm not sure why they did it like that, but they did. :) Go pop in the movie if you don't believe me. :)
  11. Spacehunter24 Jedi Master

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    I've always hated the new ROTJ:SE finale cue. On CD by itself, it's not that bad. But in the film . . . ugh! I still don't like it. It totally clashes with the rest of the score. The original Ewok music was more appropriate-sounding than the new piece.
  12. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    It never ceases to amaze me that there are actually people out there who do not like Victory Celebration and want that horrid Yub Yub piece of crap back.

  13. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    \\agrees with stri\\
  14. Spacehunter24 Jedi Master

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    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

    Is it really such a shock that some people prefer the original version that they've been listening to for almost fifteen years? Of course some people are going to hate when someone takes away something they've liked for that long and throws on some new piece of music that, like I said, clashes with all the rest of the music and sounds completely inappropriate and out-of-place.
  15. DARTH_CHINA Force Ghost

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    I love the ROTJ SE Finale very much.

    It's the best ending I could ever imagine for the saga.

    The track just has the "everything is finally over" :p feeling. It's very relaxing, emotional and makes me very nostalgic. [face_love]
  16. TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod

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    It's sad and happy at the same time

    and I never noticed anything with the End Credits, except for the discrepancy between CD and movie



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  17. Melda Jedi Knight

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    Actually, Sithman, I see what you mean.

    I just watched Return of the Jedi again and I must say that the celebration music does not disagree with me as much as I seem to have remembered it did.
  18. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    Uhh sithman likes the ending for the ROTJ SE....


    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

    Is it really such a shock that some people prefer the original version that they've been listening to for almost fifteen years? Of course some people are going to hate when someone takes away something they've liked for that long and throws on some new piece of music that, like I said, clashes with all the rest of the music and sounds completely inappropriate and out-of-place.



    Well OK. Now imagine hating that musical ending for 15 years. When someome takes away something you've hated for that long and puts on a piece of music that is as amazing as Victory Celebration, how much that must have improved the ending of ROTJ for us. :)

    I get a kick out of how you think that Victory Celebration sounds different than the rest of the music and completely inappropriate and out of place, yet the equally different and completely inappropriate and out of place Ewok song, you liked.

  19. han_solo_321 Jedi Master

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    I like the Yub Yub music but it dosn't fit well at the end of ROTJ I like to new music better!
  20. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    I never minded the "Yub Yub", but I must say that Victory Celebration is superior.
  21. dehrian Manager Emeritus

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    There is, actually, an inappropriate edit going from the ROTJ:SE to the end credits. The new celebration music ends on a Bb, and the end credits start on Eb. The transition should have been smooth, but they felt the need to overlap the notes: the last Bb from the celebration and the Eb of the end credits are right on top of each other, so it doesn't sound quite right.
  22. Melda Jedi Knight

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    "Uhh sithman likes the ending for the ROTJ SE...."

    Yes, and I was saying that I saw his point when I rewatched Return of the Jedi -- the music is not as bad as I thought it was.

    ;)
  23. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    Yeah stri, he wasn't disagreeing with me. Even on the contrary he went so far as to agree with me. :p



    Another thing I really love about the mix on the CD are the background noises and organic sounds that pop in every so often. They're so random, yet they contribute immensely to the overall "feel" of cue, IMO. :)
  24. Emperor's Prize Jedi Master

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    I have to admit that I, too, really enjoy the Victory Celebration. I was one of those people who never did like "Yub-Yub" and always felt that IT was out of place. I think the Victory Celebration is a beatufil piece of music and fits the mood much better (victory and melancholy). Although, I am not so musically versed as to be able to distingush the different keys between the celebration and the end credits -- so there goes my credibility :D.
  25. TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod

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    You don't need credibility to post here. Otherwise I wouldn't be here ;)
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