The ROTS Conspiracy Theory Thread

Discussion in 'Revenge of the Sith' started by Master_Shaitan, Aug 15, 2005.

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  1. Hapi-Wan Jedi Knight

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    So if Yoda knew everything that was going on, did he know Palpatine was Sidious and chose not to reveal that information to the other Jedi's on the council? Remember the scene at the beginning of AOTC where Palpatine is feigning concern about Padme's welfare and Yoda turns and gives a discerning look as though he can see into Palpatine's motives.
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  2. Master_Shaitan Jedi Grand Master

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    umm does someone forget what the Jedi are supposed to stand for?
    "guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy".
    They're selfless, they don't care as much about themselves
    which is why they charged ahead trying to defend the republic
    and in the end most of them lost their lives.
    They're too noble to say **** this, let's save ourselves.
    tsk tsk!


    Yes, which is what they do. however, the point I was making (and GiG) i believe is that concerning the larger prophecy - that the dark times would come.

    So, should the jedi have cut their loses and give in to the sith to fight another day or do what they did?
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  3. COMMANDER76 Force Ghost

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    Shaitan is right....the Jedi should have regrouped, refocused, all learned vaapad and saved the major battle for another time........

    "there will be another time chewie........"
  4. Get_in_Gear Jedi Youngling

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    Hey, I'm not saying he did - just that Lucas told Oz that he should "act" as if he did, which is slightly different.
    But I agree that there is a certain resignation in Yoda right from the start of the PT - almost as if he is already defeated.

    Obviously, it is not a plot point per se - not as explicitly as it was originally intended to be at the time of AOTC, at least - but there are still things in there.

    Basically it comes down to wondering exactly what the prophecy was - Was it written down? Was it just word of mouth? Was it in an archaic language which could literally be misinterpreted? What exactly did it say - what words did it use? Was it represented in words at all, or could it even have been some pictorial artefact - like the Sith frieze? Was it big, or was it concise and cryptic? Who got to know it all, did the Jedi know only what the Council taught them, or did every one have access to it?

    I just find it all quite intriguing...
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  5. Master_Shaitan Jedi Grand Master

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    Personally I think they should have put more focus on Anakin and trusted the prophecy more.

    I dont believe it was about the Jedi coming back and fighting another war. Only Anakin can destroy the sith.

    I just think that they could have spared all the loss of life.
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  6. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Anakin/Vader killed everyone in the Temple, that he encountered. Everyone the Clonetroopers didn't kill, he did. And yes, he could come back from the Dark Side, because there's still good in him.

    "There's always this good in you. And the good part is saying 'what am I doing?'. Then the bad part kicks in and says 'I'm doing this for Padme, I'm doing this for the galaxy and so we can have a better life'. But the good part is always saying 'WHAT AM I DOING?!'"

    --George Lucas to Hayden Christensen, Hyperspace webdoc.

    "Anakin/Darth does what he does because he believes he's doing it for the good of the universe."

    -- Hayden Christensen, GQ Magazine.

    "As evil begins to take over, it pushes the Force out of balance. It's easier to succumb to evil than it is to be a hero and try to work things through on the good side. Evil is inherently more powerful?it doesn't have the burden of worrying about other people. What Luke sees in Darth Vader at the end of ROTJ is something that I thought was worth understanding: the idea that Darth actually was a very good person. Except he's slightly more powerful than other people and when you get into that situation, your ability to do evil is much easier to come by."

    --George Lucas, AOTC DVD Commentary.



    Yoda knew about Anakin's feelings towards Padme, because they couldn't hide their feelings. But Palpatine could hide his feelings, which is why they couldn't tell that he was a Sith.
  7. JustinPeeler Jedi Master

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    Those are the same children, and one of them is missing his arm.

    Yoda refers to younglins as Padawan in AOTC.

    "The padawan is right".
  8. Master_Shaitan Jedi Grand Master

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    Those are the same children, and one of them is missing his arm.

    Yoda refers to younglins as Padawan in AOTC.

    "The padawan is right".


    Good call Peeler.

    Though i still hold some hope that one of those little sprogs survived and will be appearing in the tv series.
  9. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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    Let's start up the Mace is evil conspiracy thread!

    He wants to take over the senate (he says it'll be brief, but Palpatine said he loved democracy - ha!), Yoda says this is a dark path.

    He uses Vapaad, which'll send you right to the dark side!

    He ordered the Clone Army, clearly.

    A purple lightsaber...hmmm...suspicious.

    He's a bad man.

  10. Master_Shaitan Jedi Grand Master

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    Let's start up the Mace is evil conspiracy thread!

    He wants to take over the senate (he says it'll be brief, but Palpatine said he loved democracy - ha!), Yoda says this is a dark path.

    He uses Vapaad, which'll send you right to the dark side!

    He ordered the Clone Army, clearly.

    A purple lightsaber...hmmm...suspicious.

    He's a bad man.


    *Whispers in Yoshifetts ear* - "I was just about to say that".
  11. Get_in_Gear Jedi Youngling

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    Yoshifett, I hope you are joking...!

    I think M_S may want to give you a little history lesson...
  12. Master_Shaitan Jedi Grand Master

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    *To Yoshifett*

    Shaitan: "You ever here the tragedy of 'Dark Confessions of Jedi Master Windu?"
  13. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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    Sure have. I loved that thread, but I thought it was insane.


    I was hoping the sarcasm was coming through on my last post.
  14. Master_Shaitan Jedi Grand Master

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    Sure have. I loved that thread, but I thought it was insane.


    I was hoping the sarcasm was coming through on my last post.


    :_|

  15. -maynard- Jedi Knight

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    i thought it was insane as well, but i enjoyed shaitan's comic style
  16. Get_in_Gear Jedi Youngling

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    Phew!
    That's what I'd hoped...
  17. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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    I posted a lot in that thread actually, because I once was suspecious of Mace as well. But, as time wore on, I came to understand the truth, Mace isn't evil, he's just the embodiment of the Jedi's weakness.
  18. Master_Shaitan Jedi Grand Master

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    I posted a lot in that thread actually, because I once was suspecious of Mace as well. But, as time wore on, I came to understand the truth, Mace isn't evil, he's just the embodiment of the Jedi's weakness.

    Then you must re-read my Mace thread - because thats exactly what I said. I just thought it went a step further in some respects. I never said or thought Mace was evil.

    I maintain that he did the wrong thing in ROTS.

    Flame away.

    p.s. Boy that thread was hard work. The stick I got was legendary. Im still waiting for the apolgies to roll in. I'd better get comfortable.
  19. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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    Aw man Gig, I thought you'd give me the benefit of the doubt at least!
    (It's because I'm a sometimes-yes voter, isn't it?)
  20. Master_Shaitan Jedi Grand Master

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    Sapient just locked THE thread. What do I do now?

    (at least the poll ended with another Yes Vote landslide - lol)

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    Yeah, so any other conspiracy theories?
  21. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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    Well, I was wondering what you were going to do M_S now that the thread is locked...that was my first thought, what is M_S going to do now!

    I was just getting back into that thing too!

    O.K. conspiracy idea:

    Sidious allowed Mace to win the duel.

    (You better catch the sarcasm on this one GIG!)
  22. Get_in_Gear Jedi Youngling

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    They locked the duel thread!

    Why do I feel it is like that scene in the Simpsons where Ithcy and Scratchy gets taken off air, and all the kids suddenly go outside and start living a normal active life...
  23. Master_Shaitan Jedi Grand Master

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    Sidious allowed Mace to win the duel

    Interesting thought Yoshifett....

    I think it was legit. [face_monkey]

    Why do I feel it is like that scene in the Simpsons where Ithcy and Scratchy gets taken off air, and all the kids suddenly go outside and start living...

    Huh, Outside. I'd almost forgotten about that strange and magical place...
  24. COMMANDER76 Force Ghost

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    no troops to convert??? what ever shall i do now??? what does a commander do when the last GREAT DEBATE has ended???.................................................................
  25. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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    Star Wars nerds like us going outside? Now that would be a conspiracy.
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