Discussion in 'Role Playing Resource Archive' started by NaboosPrincess, Dec 16, 2005.
Why no banner for the new style sheet on here? *begins constructing*
We had to revert to the default layout earlier because of technical issues with the boards. That was the only way anyone could get the forums to load, and we figured content is more important than pretty art anyway. Everything should be back to normal now.
I noticed that that happens every so often. I figured it was just some kind of tech issue.
It's good to see the new Flagship RP is off to a good start in the new forums. I am hoping to start my participation in the game tomorrow!
Okay, I would like to start putting the plans in motion for the RPF Resource Forum. Based on the discussion thus far, here are the threads (or types of threads) that I would like to move over to the new forum once it's created:
RPF Adoptions and Adoptions Game
RPF Training Grounds (possibly revised and revamped, but definitely not deleted or left out. Possibly lock & archive current thread and post something new?)
A copy of the rules of both RP forums
RPF Introduction Service
RPG Discussion thread (consider breaking into two threads, one for Star Wars and one for Non-Star Wars. Lock & archive current thread for future reference but close to further discussion?)
RPF Community Center (revised and revamped)
All future RPF Awards threads (add categories to the next Awards for Non-Star Wars games and GMs)
Things still under consideration:
Hooper's (do we want to move it to Resource and have that be the social thread for all of the RPF? Seeing as the NSW-RPF already has an IC-social thread, should we move Hooper's to Resource to serve as the "community" social thread, but allow a new social thread to be created for the RPF so all three forums have places for socialization?)
The RPF Holonet
LSA and I need to talk about what other sorts of threads will be allowed
i like the idea of a community wide social forum to bridge the RPing forums together and starting a new social thread for this particular one... would it still be used in the Cantina/Bar theme?
It can have whatever theme we want. Maybe we can even have a poll to pick a name.
I tend to think the B&G and the HoloNet would be more appropriate here. If we're following the fanfic model, Resource should be more of an informational center for RPing in general rather than a simple "neutral" board between the two RPing boards.
Yeah but are you really going to object to another social thread?
I disagree, Jello.
The HoloNet belongs in the resource forum because it is a resource. It is a listing of the goings on, and stories of succesful RPGs. Succeses that can be mapped, followed, copied, and tweaked to provide future successes.
A Social Thread is also worthwhile in the resource forum, because it allows for a free exchange between RPers. As the two boards grow (as I am sure is the hope of everyone involved in the RPFs), it will come to pass that there are players and GMs (and lurkers) who visit only one of the two RPFs. But, one might imagine, they will still visit the resource board. And the Social Thread could be a good source for interaction between two such players, which might spark enough conversation/debate/idea sharing that we get more crossover between the two RPFs. And, if the social thread in this RPF is changed to an IC social area (as in the NSWRPF, as I would like to see it happen), then having a completely OOC social thread would be good, and the only fit for it would be in the Resource Forum.
Hooper's is and has always been IC. It's just that unique brand of IC that most social threads on the entire boards no longer allow--it's where one can post as a character, but type normally if they see fit. If one takes a little jaunt through history, they can see that--in fact--Hooper's has been entirely IC at times.
I will strenuously object to something as deep in the RPF's history as Hooper's being torn out of here and replaced by some halfbaked replacement.
I also see the HoloNet as a partially IC thing itself, and it would make no sense to be in a resource board since it--in itself--is not a resource but simply a function of the existing games in the RPF. It also has a uniquely Star Wars flavor to it, which would be out of place in the Resource board if there wasn't another NSW counterpart, which would be silly.
If the Resource board really needs a social thread--and I'm yet to be convinced that a place such as that needs a social--then let it be a new one.
I think I'm going to have to ask the perhaps clichÃ©d rhetorical question of "if it isn't broken, why irritate people and confuse matters by pulling up trees to fix it?".
I would also like to echo Jello's sentiment about the need for a resource board to have a social thread. I mean, it's a resource board, the sort of place where you pop in, look something up, then head back to the more IC boards, where the action is. Doesn't it make sense for there to be a place for socialising where the action is, rather than where the research is?
And Hooper's is something of a fixture here: I mean, regardless of whether it technically belongs here or not, I believe it should stay, as it's ingrained in the minds of the people here as the place to go to chat, and thusly has a sentimental value. It just wouldn't be the same if it were "Arthur McGee's Bistro" or "Florence Quinn's Club and Pub".
Though I have to admit calling it The HaÃ§ienda would be cool. (ZOMG POP CULTURE REFERENCE!!!1)
Ironically, the name was just as random as those. Like the EUC B&G--which I'm willing to bet a million bucks that no one outside myself, Genghis, and possibly Lord Bane even remembers the name of.
It's not only the name, however, but the instutition itself. The whole atmosphere and aura of the place as the RPF Bar&Grille has been unchanged since nearly the very beginning, predated only by the WOTG lounge.
Well, I think that the RPF Holonet belongs in the Resource forum. My reason is that, the Holonet is news source, an information source, is it not? Isn't that what the Resource forum is for? Even it does pertain to places within this forum, we can always include links.
Hoopers, even though I rarely go there, belongs here (I may begin to post there...). As Jello and Zaarin said, it is like a sentimental thing for a lot of people, and it is basically a part of this forum. Plus, I don't think the resource forum needs a social thread.
That's just my opinion.
Regarding the RPF HoloNet, as the latest voice I can perhaps inform you to some issues that may affect its placement.
First of all, it is not like the Adoptions program or a community thread, but privatly run without the council. The RPF HoloNet's purpose in being to give the whole of the RPF an opportunity to see what's going on a glance while encouraging productivity, imagination, and participation within the games and their storylines. As players write good, storylines or portray characters well - these players are given the opportunity to be showcased to the whole of the RPF. The difference between this and the RPF Awards and such is that we endevour to keep coverage equal. No one game will monopolize the publication -having numerous stories on numerous occassions, their characters portrayed, etc. As myself and the rest of the writers carry on conversations with the game players and Gamemasters, we work to spotlight each and every individual game and player.
In that vein, the RPF HoloNet has four premiere publications that are created to cover every possible game, with organization and theming. The publications are such, with explanations.
- The Old Republic Channel - This publication focuses on the RPGs that take place during the Old Republic era of the Star Wars Universe and prior.
- The Imperial Network (being posted on March 8) - This publication focuses on the RPGs that take place during the Imperial Domination of the Galaxy Far, Far Away
- The New Republic HoloNews (being posted on March 10) - This publication focues on the RPGs that take place during the New Rebublic's reign and afterword.
- The Galaxy Far, Far Away Chronicles - Covers all non-Star Wars/Cross-over Star Wars games regardless of time period. These stories are written in such a way that they are news broadcasts or publications directly from that place which it happens. Be it WWII propoganda films, X-Men fighting, or Clans rising in the ancient Star Wars universe by way of a crossover game.
Our issue has been that with the new forum, our original goal to feature the RPF is still the goal. Therefore we have the following possibilities as far as the RPF HoloNet's position. Milney and I will be deciding on these following things.
1) Divide the Thread Coverage
This is a loathing and, by the choosing of the RPF Creators - Milney and myself. Two divide the thread in a RPF Holonet for the Star Wars Universe news source here and then a RPF Holonet solely for the non-Star Wars Forum would not only divide coverage but the idea behind the whole thing. The idea is to give an easy and entertaining view of the Roleplaying Forum as a whole. To divide this would mean that those that strictly stay to the non-SW forum would probably never read Star Wars news, therefore missing out on some fine opportunities, or at the very least some very good reading.
2) Dual Threads in Each Forum
A second RPF Holonet could started in the Non-Star Wars forum. In which, all four publications would be posted regularly in both forums. All the news would be reported and the goal preserved. Regarding the statement that the RPF HoloNet is primarily a Star Wars institution, this I have to disagree with. While the idea is Star Wars related and does use a Star Wars idea, it is still the #1 News Source for the entire Roleplaying Forum. To be remembered is that despite the new forum's vien away from Star Wars, this is a Star Wars Message Board. Thus, the keeping of the Star Wars connatations would not be wholly intrusive if, like this, it were kept on a small scale.
3) Moving to the Resource Forum and worries
Personally, I would like it here, because of the fact that the RPF HoloNet is centrally located. It would be able to achieve its purpose of covering the entire of the RPF without issue. My biggest worry, and Milney has stated the same while in conversation, that the RPF HoloNet would not be as highly visible as it is here. While I am all for the Resource forum, the sad truth is that many will not be going there, I think,
Concerning the HoloNet. Most of those who know what the HoloNet is, or know of it, or have some idea of its purpose in as far as the realm of Star Wars goes, are aware that the HoloNet is, essentially, a tool that is used to spread news throughout the galaxy. News channels and stations in our own world, like the HoloNet, offer us a diversity of information covering things from politics and current events, to ground breaking stories, extraordinary achievements or developments throughout the world, as well as almost anything else worthy of note, and a fair amount of things we could probably happily manage without knowing.
As far as the RPF's own version of the HoloNet is concerned, I believe the most recent, and current, version has made solid progress in fulfilling its namesake. I hope, as I am sure it's present managers do, that it will be able to grow and prosper into a widely accepted and prominently sought resource for the provision of all forms and manner of useful information.
That said, I know each of you realises that the intention, purpose and reason for having a Role Playing Resource Forum is to act as a source of valuable information, which is widespread and freely accessibly in one location. While I realise there may be certain advantages to having a HoloNet in every forum, or just the Star Wars RPF, I think we all know that there are also inherent disadvantages and lost opportunities that will come about through confinement of such a thread. By its very nature the HoloNet is designed for the provision of information, so there seems, at least to me, that there is no better place for it than a Resource Forum.
This is a board that is open to everyone, regardless of whether they are fans of SciFi or Fantasy or film, or debate and social discussion. Its theme and foundation is obviously Star Wars so it would only seem appropriate for the 'news thread' to retain the name and title of "HoloNet". My imagination leads me to believe that the HoloNet would/could be headed, IC, by Star Wars persons and infrastructre. Bothan reporters come do mind, of course. My point is that even with a new non-Star Wars forum, the HoloNet would always retain a large element of the heart of this wide online community through these boards. Publications could extend to areas outside of this main theme without severing or dividing the forum, by using a simple integration of both areas, IC and OOC.
Attempts and efforts can, and likely will, be made to spread the word of the HoloNet's existance, though not likely though any spam advertising. Once word has spread, which it will easily enough, through private messages, social thread references and occassional OOCs, among other things, the HoloNet will have been given every chance at increased prosperity and potential for success.
What we all have to realise is that the HoloNet, like any other thread, with the possible exception of "Rules" will succeed, prosper, or decline, or fail, as a result of any number of factors. These are the same factors that remain a challenge for Game Masters and other threads, from social areas to the vast game threads, which are all stand-alone areas themselves. There is no easy way to determine what the critical factors to achieve success are, and I do not think that 'forum placement' is one of them. If anything, being put within the Resource Forum seems like it would boost the activity of the HoloNet, simply because it would be constantly producing all form and manner of diverse and useful information for the eager readers, members and visitors of the Role Playing Forums.
Well now, what have we here?
On a Social Thread: I am going to put my hat with a new social OOC thread. Hoopers should stay with the RPF. Its tradition and I see it only fitting. And I would advise against it being IC. Like, the idea is cool, but I never have a chance to post in the Tragelbury cause I got five million other RPGs going! I need something like Hoopers, I relaxed social thread in the most traditional of senses.
As for themes, I think a wild theme will go nicely. The Social Thread can be designed as an "Outpost" type aspect. Or international themed. Something exotic, with tiki torches and bamboo sidings. Yes... I can see it now...
But yeah, I think an international/exotic theme would be perfect there.
On the Holonet: Personally, I think it should go in the Resource Forum. While I hear Kalio's doubts about it being lost there, I actually think it will work opposite, serving as a pull for more people to enter the area. To keep the Resource Forum active, there needs to be appeal for people to go there. The Holonet will be one of these things, should it go. And I would hope that other items (Guilds, Workshops, etc) will be the rest.
However, out of sheer fairness, I think the Holonet's ultimate fate should be decided by its editors, and not the Council. As they are the ones that put in the most time for its success and do all the grunt work, I would think it outside the council's bounds to go against their wishes.
TAG: All of yous!
If those who maintain the HoloNet feel it's better placed in the Resource forum, then I'll have no opposition to it.
As long as my socks are still able to rig pirate broadcasts about atlantic salmon, polish vodka and zaarinist propaganda, I'm happy.
To consider: The thing about reference tools is we like to have them at hand, but don't always leave them open. When media concerns make decisions about placement in the market, they consider consumption habits. The Resource Forum might pose a "second" step and therefore an impediment in terms of consumption where the Holonet is concerned. Given the intentions of the Holonet, being in the minds and eyes of the gamers is paramount to readership and my first statement would suggest that that might not be the case if the Holonet were placed in the Resource Forum, even though according to the established taxonomy, it seems an appropriate "fit."
Hoopers is the meeting place of the RPF, and I'll go where it goes, but I think it belongs in the RPF.
I suppose that's rather succinct...but it'll do
RPF Training Grounds (possibly revised and revamped, but definitely not deleted or left out. Possibly lock & archive current thread and post something new?)
Yes.. Clean up and archive old stuff. Start up a new thread. Perhaps ask the new players from the Adoptions and training group, ideas that people could volunteer to write up information on. That way, we would have an idea what is really need. Also, GM's who spot certain problems in their games...IE 'How to role-play'..could request info or write up be done on those as well.
Time for me to be bad.
Guys. Truthfully, I DONT WANT a Role Playing Resource Forum. I think it will turn into a desert wasteland. I already belong to several boards. Then I get here. Now, I have 3 main boards I visit, plus a few extra. FanFiction, Role Playing, and Non Star wars role playing. I DONT wanna click into another forum, to read stuff..that might only get updated once in 5 months. I dont see that much activity. Why do I need to go to an entirely new FORUM to read the Holonet news?
It posts on a pretty regular basis. But hide it someplace else, and very few will go looking for it.
And social sites should stay with the RPG forums. My main thought is..when You are posting, your IC. But...when You are busy writing a resource...you are not. You are doing that as a GM ...or very OOC. Why put a social thread in an area where your posting research and information?
Quite bad indeed Ktala...
I shall disagree most sincerely with you there my dear, and I think it will be fine.
I visited Fan Fiction Resource again today, and all the ideas are still there. I know that I move to other forums to get my "social threading" done, but now with a Resource, we can all keep it in-House. There are plenty of fun, Role Playing related activities that can be done in resource, and it will serve I feel to very much unite the role-playing community.
I have said this from the conception of the resource thread, and I shall say it here again. If we build enough interesting things in the Resource, I think they will come.
As I was looking in resource, I noticed, by observing the entirety of the Fan Fiction boards, that their social threads were all in resource, and their story boards were only their fictions. Perhaps this is something we too can consider? If we absolutely make both our boards games only, then make resource our one stop shopping spot for EVERYTHING non-IC, not only will the boards be cleaner, but that would absolutely positively ensure a base of constant posters in Resource.
Hence preventing Ktala's "wasteland theory"
Resource should be a place of research and art, but also fun I should think...
If Fan Fiction can do it, there shouldn't be anything preventing us from doing it.
*Boots this up*
So any time frame out there for the set up of Resource?
I know I'm working on formulating a new model of role-playing that would work just perfectly as a topic for discussion on the new board...
At least lets get discussion moving on this thing again...