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  1. DarthXan318

    DarthXan318 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Sep 12, 2002
    I like this idea. :D

    Some entries are going to be predictable, but hopefully there'll be some overlooked gems in the list too. That'd be pretty cool.
  2. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Aug 14, 2002
    If my title can be "Detective Jawa", and my potential duties explained simply (eg. 'pop-up book' simple), I don't mind throwing my AT-AT driver's helm into the ring.
  3. Ktala

    Ktala Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Sep 7, 2002

    The 20 Best RPGs of All Time Project

    that sounds like fun!

    It will also be interesting to see if we can come up with 20. Of course, with so many opinions, I sure we can, but it will be interesting.


    Can we just Start with IBoP, BoP and WoTG, and keep the list building from there?

    Or are we taking it to another area?

  4. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

    Nov 15, 2004
    Archangels and Alchemists by Winged_Jedi remains one of my favourite RPGs on the boards.
  5. Dinkus_Mayhem

    Dinkus_Mayhem Jedi Master star 3

    May 4, 2006
    From what I hear that was a good RPG, I regret not being able to play in that.

    Do we have a list going here or are we just looking for nominations at this point?

    If we are just nominating can I offer for discussion "The Xavier Institute for Higher Learning: Path of Heroes"? That was a superb game IMHO.

    EDIT: We may also wish to discuss "A Tide of Flames: a D20 Dungeons and Dragons Adventure". I don't recall any other dice based games being created, and from the way that game has run it could hopefully inspire others to follow that path.

    My belief is that this is an extremely inovative game on this site, and it would be great if we saw more of this style game show up in the near future.
  6. jedi_killeroak

    jedi_killeroak Jedi Padawan star 4

    Apr 16, 2005

    Sorry, that was the game that really got me started in this RP mess. And I am very glad of it. My vote will always go to IBOP.

    Other than that, I do not care. (Actually I do, but that is the most memoriable one that I can remember.)
  7. Saintheart

    Saintheart Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Dec 16, 2000
    Thanks for the vote of confidence, Dinkus, but I just wanted to point out one or two salient points on this:

    (1) Although it's biting my own hand, so to speak, if you're looking for d6-based or d20-based Star Wars roleplaying games, there's actually a whole forum devoted to that mechanical-based system. You'll find it under the "Games" subsection of the boards. People who are planning to run a d20 Star Wars RPG would be redirected by me or Hammer to that board.

    (2) Having said that: "Tide of Flames" is not Star Wars roleplaying, hence its proper place of residence is in the Non-Star-Wars roleplaying board, because there is nowhere else it can be run. That's why it exists. Although I would love to see more dice-based non-Star Wars in that forum, I've yet to see it show up.

    (3) LightWarden also runs a stealth version of a d20-based Star Wars RPG called "Casino Royale" over in the SWRPF. It is permitted here because, as you'll see from a closer inspection, it's not explicitly d20 SWRPG, but has very similar rules nonetheless.
  8. LightWarden

    LightWarden Jedi Master star 4

    Oct 11, 2001
    Wait, you mean I can't run a flat-out Saga Edition game on this part of the forum? I don't think that there's really a need to sequester them solely to the games board- they can work here just as well, and this section of the forum has a larger potential player base. Admittedly most of them don't know the system, but that's never stopped anyone, and unless you feel like broadening the connections to that section of the forum, I don't think you should isolate RPGs.
  9. Imperial_Hammer

    Imperial_Hammer Manager Emeritus: RPFs star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Sep 25, 2004
    Actually Light, we've (or at least I've) been trying to at least get those games over here into our RPFs. There are miscellaneous problems with any moves though, first of all being that the Mod there is not very interested in a move or merge of any kind. Also, it's been a long standing tradition there for GMs to have VIP red colors, which they would loose if they would move. Similarly, they worry their games will be swallowed up and lost in a much busier RPF.

    This is not a hard and fast rule, and I haven't discussed this with Saint, but I would draw the line at literary content. The games in the D20 board have very little substantive writing, and are almost skeleton numbers based. As long as a die based game was padded down with tradition story-style RPing that you see here, I wouldn't have a problem with it in these boards. But the less writing I see, the more likely I would be to move the game to D20.

    The D20 board is one of those murky areas RPF mods either ignore or are scratching their heads about...


    As to the Best RPG list, Saint and I are inclined to have this a private group of posters having a small and focused discussion on this. The failure of our attempt at a NSWRPF flagship is fresh in both our heads, and I especially believe it was because there were too many voices, and not enough leadership. We hope with a smaller group that decisions can be made by consensus, as opposed to polls or voting. And being sequestered on a private board, we hope people will be able to express their ideas more freely, and without the influence of socks, popular opinion, trolls, or what have you. We really don't want this to become a popular campaign.

    We haven't figured out how we're going to pick our little group. It'll either be simply us choosing a qualified group, or some sort of nomination process a la the old RPF Community Council. It'll mostly be elder and more traveled users, out of the simple necessity that they've seen more games and can see the bigger picture better than newer users. However, there will be some newer users so that there won't be a bias towards the super-old games. And it'll probably be somewhere around the size of 20 users, give or take 5 probably.

    In any case, there's a positive enough response here that this idea will be moving forward. So look for fun things happening with regards to this in the future.

  10. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Aug 14, 2002
    This is interesting to see put up in hard text. Not intended as a personal snipe, I had not consciously quantified the differences between mine and Lightwarden's idea of good gaming practices. I was only aware that we were generally incompatible, and this statement re. D20 makes everything much clearer.


    Best games:
    Although IBOP was one of my first, I mostly recall my interaction with it as a traumatic clusterfrag, although my friendship with, and mutual appreciation of Kalio_Dynkos started there.

    Sooo, Best Games, [Take Two]
    Star Wars...007 - On Her Majesty's Security Service
    Galaxy at War III: Schism of the Sith
    Star Wars...007 - Carboneye
    Star Wars...007 - From Ryloth With Love
    Star Wars...007 - Doctor Noah
    Buffy the Vampire Slayer
    Podracer (first one)
  11. DarthXan318

    DarthXan318 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Sep 12, 2002
    Aren't we counting all the 'series' games together? Like the Podracer games would be counted as, well, the "Podracer games" rather than Podracer I and Podracer II, the 007 games are counted together, BoP and IBOP count as just IBOP ... and so on.
  12. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Aug 14, 2002
    Oh, sorry. I have a habit of being too literal. I took "20 Best RPGs" to mean Role Playing Games, not Series.

    Did I skim over a salient bit of information again?
  13. DarthXan318

    DarthXan318 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Sep 12, 2002
    ... I just checked and it's not stated either way, so that's possibly an erroneous assumption on my part. :p

    Saint, Imp - are we rolling together the games in a series, or counting them separately?
  14. Saintheart

    Saintheart Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Dec 16, 2000
    Up for discussion, Xan. Personally, I'd actually prefer to separate out the individual games in a series: BoP was one thread whilst IBOP took up about five IIRC at its most bloated stage :p. And, taking Podracer as an example, the GM will sometimes make changes from the first game to the second which alter the gameplay in small but significant ways.

    To take a movie analogy, I don't think it's fair to judge the entirety of the OT as one film -- that's basically saying RoTJ was the same quality as ESB, which sadly they aren't. Or to take a more extreme example, saying RoTS deserves to be put in the same bin as TPM or AoTC, when clearly (IMMHO of course) ROTS is the best of the whole three. So for my part I think you have to judge individual games rather than a series.

    Will this mean that we get down to assessing the individual threads of say, IBOP or 120ABY? I doubt it, unless someone wants to make a case that one section of a big game like that was heaps better than the rest. Generally I'd say multi-thread RPGs will be judged by average unless someone in the focus group makes a good case for looking at individual sections.
  15. Imperial_Hammer

    Imperial_Hammer Manager Emeritus: RPFs star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Sep 25, 2004
    I'm inclined to echo Saint's sentiments. Not just because of those answers, but also some games in a series are considerably worse or better than others. I know System Lords II was a bit of a flop in comparison to System Lords I for example. Stuff like that should probably be acknowledged.

    Alrighty, so I'm going to put a new thread for the judging pool. There we can move this idea out of planning and into reality.

  16. Mango_Salsa

    Mango_Salsa Jedi Youngling star 1

    Mar 15, 2006
    For what it's worth, I agree with Saint and Imp. There, I said it. Now where's my dollar, you guys?
  17. Thok

    Thok Jedi Master star 6

    May 24, 2002
    This list cannot be complete, without just about every WOTG chapter or IBoP :p

    Specially since every chapter of WOTG had different themes/alliances and the like etc.
  18. Winged_Jedi

    Winged_Jedi Jedi Master star 4

    Feb 28, 2003
    Personally, I think this is why I would be reluctant to separate the games in a series. From what I know of WotG, it was certainly among the very best that the RPF has ever offered. But there were like, what, seven games (not including the reboot)? Add in four excellent 007 games, the two BOPs and the two Podracers, and then we have 15 of the top 20 coming from four series.

    Maybe that's the way it should be, I don't know. And I understand Saint's point about each installment in a series often being as different as TPM is from ESB, and so deserving to be recognised on their individual merit. But it just strikes me that we could potentially have a list dominated by a relatively small group of games (and a relatively small group of GMs/players).
  19. LightWarden

    LightWarden Jedi Master star 4

    Oct 11, 2001
    We're going to have a list that's skewed or dominated anyways, because it's an extremely tiny minority that even read games that they aren't actually in. High probability that you're going to get people who vote games that they've been in as best if only because there's no real way they'll have time to read all the games that have been voted best, let alone the games that may have been overlooked.
  20. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

    Nov 15, 2004
    Considering two out of the four games of 128 ABY turned into unmitigated flops, I don't see how we can't separate things. System Lords I is preferred to II by some, and various IBoP games aren't as well enjoyed, and probably the 007 ones have varying levels of success.

    That being said, I'm also in agreement with Winged, here, but Light does raise a good counterpoint: either way, we're going to be slanted in several directions - those of us who participate in the RPR, and those of us who read all the games, and those of us who were here to play those games, or even are still here - a lot aren't.

  21. Lukes_Apprentice

    Lukes_Apprentice Jedi Knight star 3

    Oct 15, 2008
    I relize I am new to the adopton program and new to the board, but thought should give my prespective as a newbie here.
    First, the program just does not seem to be working as well as it should.
    Two, I would like to see the people interested in being the cordinator list the reasons why they interested.
    Three, I believe that oldbie should be defined by how many posts an individual make when they are in character or roleplaying, this may not be possible
    Well I hope this helps
  22. Jim_Palso

    Jim_Palso Jedi Padawan star 4

    Oct 23, 2004
    I haven't read everything so far, but i just want to throw out a thought.

    Back in the day, I grew up in the RPF the rough way. No one was really there to 'adopt' me. I think it would be a great way to get newbies ready for the RPF.

    I was going through the Star Wars RPG's and the forum is dead and it kills me to see that. Except for the main game thread and the Jedi Outcasts, along with a few minor games here and there, the thread is deader then dead. I remember the days of so much activity here. Now I understand we all grow up, been there done that and still doing that, and we move on and come back and so on. But we need to bring pride back to the RPF. The Jedi Outcasts is a great joy for me and I enjoy playing it. But everythibg else we have is pre or post one hundred plus years and with super Jedi and just doesn't appeal to an old fart that grew up with WOTG and TNDT in High School (my orginal username is Bravo and is still active) and the two installments (three, but one of them flopped until the other two took off and were played) of TNDT after High School. I joined the Jedi Outcasts sometime during this time which has been my main RPG for over four, almost (maybe even over) five years now. I have had a few RPG's here and there to no real effect and have failed at GMing game sof my own due to lack of GM experience and time issues the last few years.

    I guess what I'm saying with this life story is that if the adoptions thread is going to bring life back into the RPF, then I say do it. I don't even know what is all involved, but I'm willing to check it out. Heck, I've been RPing here since my Sophmore year in High School...eight years now. Man, I'm an old fart here. I could probably claim to veteran or old fart status here by now. :p
  23. Imperial_Hammer

    Imperial_Hammer Manager Emeritus: RPFs star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Sep 25, 2004
    *** Hammer's "2008 in Review" and "Program for 2009" ***

    I figured now would be as good a time as any to step back and canvas the community for input on the upcoming year. Time to close out 2008 and look into the future to see what this community needs to remain active and alive in face of the slowdown. To this end, I have assembled both a look at where we've been and where we plan on going.

    2008 in Review

    -Successful Moderator Transfer of Power from NaboosPrincess to Imperial_Hammer
    -Flagship RPG for NSWRPF talks begin
    -Successful Promotion of Saintheart to the second moderator position in the RPF
    -Community Wide RPF Announcement Thread System is established
    -Spring RPF Awards held successfully
    -Around the Boards RPG Advertising Initiative begins
    -The 1st RPF-Fanfic Writing Competition begins
    -RPF Rules Update begins
    -Flagship RPG for NSWRPF talks break down
    -Around the Boards RPG Advertising Initiative fails
    -RPF Fanfic spearheaded by Sinrebirth begins
    -The 1st RPF-Fanfic Writing Competition ends successfully with a Fanfic victory
    -RPF Family Tree Project begins
    -The RPF enters the JC's "Forum Feud" competition
    -Summer RPF Awards held successfully
    -Updated RPF Rules go live
    -The RPF enters the Triforum Plan with the EUC and SWC, increasing cooperation and traffic flow b/w the three boards
    -A New Sexual Harassment Policy is enforced board-wide
    - RPF Programs Thread begins
    -RPF Family Tree Project fails
    -Revamp of the RPF Adoptions program begins
    -The RPF loses to the YJCC in the Finals of Forum Feud
    -The RPF Top 20 Project begins
    -Autumn RPF Awards held successfully
    -The RPF Activity Tracking Thread is launched
    -JC gets a board wide-code change
    -3rd Annual Winter Ball is held successfully

    Tentative Program for 2009

    As of today
    - Return of the Winter RPF Awards
    - Banner Contest for the entire RPing Community begins
    - Programs thread begins year-in-advance discussions

    Winter 2009
    - Top Twenty Project resumes operation
    - 2nd RPF-FF contest likely
    - RPF Holonet News to return?
    - Sleepy Game to be hosted in the RPF?

    Spring 2009
    - Spring Awards
    - Possible launch of redesigned RPF Adoptions Program?
    - Possible RPF Trivia Contest?

    Summer 2009 and beyond
    - Summer and Autumn RPF Awards
    - 4th Annual Winter Ball
    - Guild Restructuring Project to begin?
    - New attempts at a NSWRPF flagship?
    - RPF?s 8th Anniversary Celebrations (12/21/09)?
    - Game Design Contests?

    * There may also be items on this agenda Saintheart plans on doing that I don?t know about. This is only the agenda for one moderator, namely me. All projects and ideas above may be changed or tweaked at Mr. Saintheart?s or my own insistence. Like all predictions, this list gives only estimates and ideas, and should not be considered definitive or exhaustive. *

    As you can see, there are some very exciting things on the schedule for the future, and I am delighted to share them with you all.

    I submit them to you with two hopes. Firstly, that you will get excited about them, stick around, and maybe volunteer your services towards them. Secondly, I want to hear from you. Tell me if there are any items that should be on this list but are not, or are on this list but should be done later or earlier. Anything with a ??? behind it is either tentatively scheduled or in the embryonic phase of development. Most (though not all!) of these items can be shifted and changed priority wise. Some of them are also will happen only with continued cooperation from the MS and other forums.

    And there you go. The year in review and the planned year to come. Feel proud of where you?ve been and excited about where you?re going. :)

  24. Reynar_Tedros

    Reynar_Tedros Jedi Master star 6

    Jul 3, 2006
    Game Design Contest needs to be bumped up to ASAP. It gives people an initiative to get creative and write some quality stuff. I see no reason why it should be delayed.
  25. SirakRomar

    SirakRomar Jedi Master star 4

    Mar 30, 2007
    Can somebody explain to me what is exactly the idea of a NSWRPF flagship game? I simply don´t understand what that means. Probably a language problem of mine.

    Sorry, if the question is stupid.