The Second Installment of the 2007 Jedi Draft [Congratulations KiwiRogue]

Congrats, Kiwi! Awesome team with awesome matchups. And good match, Wang. You made it a great Championship, and had a great team yourself.

As far as the new stuff goes, I dislike the idea of prep time or locations-- good old fashioned trumps are strategy enough for me, aside from the entire drafting process, of course. Jacen and Caedus should probably be the same, if only for easier judging purposes, and the fact that it's difficult to judge Caedus without the exploits of Jacen in there-- part of the reason I generally dislike splitting up Anakin and Vader, though at least that one's a little easier. Same with Krayt and Hett, especially since there's little value in drafting just Hett, unless in very deep formats-- like 16 GM's, yes, but there's also just a lot of wasted value in not taking him as Krayt.

I do like the idea of 16 GM's, split up into two Conferences with two divisions each-- that or 12 GM's with three conferences of 4 GM's each. I think it adds depth to the "regular season" that way, and then the playoffs have potential to be even more interesting. I would, however, go back to only 6 players a team that way, if only because the field would be so incredibly watered down by the 7th-8th rounds in that format (assuming there's only one draft pool).

 

But I think that's the problem with separating the two. There's so many good arguments for where we should make the cut, that it would be impossible to decide.

 

I think the reason you take A. Hett as ls would be late and for use in trump. Though I could also see taking him ls in order to prevent a ds team from taking him. Jacen for all the reasons should currently not be seperated.

I dont think you can really do prep with time but without location. Basically I view the matches taking place under similiar conditions to the fight Achilles has in the beginning of Troy, unless prepped with location.

Also for the next draft, what will the cutoff for Legacy be?

 

I should be moved to the Power List next draft

 

Hay Thon, I have a question about your sig

But this draft established:

Kenobi > Vader

So I think you might need to change that

 

Me>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Logic

 

Horax>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All...except maybe Oppo Rancissis.

 

Here's what I think we'll do:

We'll open up sign-ups sometime next week. I'll have 16 spots available. If they go quickly, we'll try 16 GMs pulling from one list and draft six to a team. If they don't and we get between 12 and 15 GMs signed up, we'll go with 12 GMs pulling from one draft list and draft eight to a team.

I think we'll go Darth Krayt and Hett as one entry on the list, with the option to take him as only Hett, if you really need him for a LS team and he's still there. We'll just go with Darth Caedus, no need to split he and Jacen Solo.

Last call for anyone missing from Legacy and KoToR comic books. Let me know if they need to be added to the list.

I also think we won't be doing prep time. But I am toying with the idea of finding enough locations for backdrop purposes only (for framing the fights in our heads) to do it like we did in the last Comic Book Draft. Open to suggestions for locations there. Let's try to stay away from places that are Dark Side power sources, though, mmmkay?

I think that just about wraps up any discussion we'd need, unless anyone has anything else?

 

So, we'll need at least 8 places then?

1. Mos Eisley, Tatooine (peopled)
2. Undercity, Taris
3. Shield Bunker, Endor
4. Arena, Geonosis
5. Bridge of the Executor (have to pretend there is some sort of barrier preventing people from breaking windows and being sucked into space.)
6. Senate Building, Coruscant
7. Caverns, Ryloth
8. Centrepoint Station, Corellia

I intentionally left out places where the environment would have too much of a detrimental effect (Mustafar, Hoth) or where it could give someone a great advantage (Mon Calamari). Any places strong in the force are also out. A place I thought would be interesting is Myrkr, as it would nullify force powers and make people rely on skill and ingenuity.

 

For backdrop purposes only? Does that mean it would actually be an advantage in matches, or no?

As far as that goes, I like your list, Kyptastic-- the only one I'd probably change would be the Shield Bunker on Endor, to something like Kashyyyk.

 

Well, we don't have to have just 8 - we can have more, and 8 are randomly assigned to a match-up.

I don't think you can ignore the locations as a factor (ie. Twi'leks like Aayla and Alema would have an advantage on Ryloth, Vader would be familliar with the Executor etc.), but I don't see anything that is so imbalanced that it will put a fifth rounder over a second rounder, for example.

 

Right, the point of the locations is to make the matches interesting, but putting planets like Hoth, Mon Calamari, or Korriban up there would be too advantageous for some and too detrimental to others.

 

The only problem is I could see in a ls vs. ds match held in a populated place, the dser has advantage as ls will be too busy saving people.

 

The idea is that they're there to basically provide backdrop, so that it's a little easier to picture the match, rather just in the void of space, or in a generic Mortal Kombat Battle Station. Certain locations might offer a little help to some people (I imagine Lowbacca might do a little better on Kashyyyk than normal, and that locations with useable object (i.e. the Senate floor) might favor those with better TK skills), but all-in-all they should be fairly neutral.

I agree with what's on Kyp's list. We might need more than eight, though. And while Myrkr would be very interesting, I'm not sure it's neutral enough. But ... who knows?


And just to make sure, you are joking, right Ghost?

 

Not entirely

Suppose the fight was at The Nightlander, and the fight was between Lumiya and Ki Adi Mundi. The gm with Lumiya could argue that Lumiya would place the people in the club in peril, and distract Mundi.

 

Suffice to say if we use locations, all locations are empty accept for those engaged in the battle.

 

lol

Kenobi vs Talon on the dancefloor of a packed nightclub.

 

Instead of saber battles we will have a

[image=http://www.secretcake.com/images/danceoff.jpg]

 

Once again, any additions to this list:


Aayla Secura
Adi Gallia
Agen Kolar
Ajunta Pall
Adalric Brandl
Alema Rar
Anakin Skywalker (separate from Vader)
Anakin Solo
Andur Sunrider
Anoon Bondara
Antares Draco
Arca Jeth
Asajj Ventress
Atris
Aurra Sing
Bant
Barriss Offee
Bastila Shan
Ben Skywalker
Cade Skywalker
Brakiss
Bultar Swan
Callista
Cay Qel-Droma
Cin Drallig
Coleman Trebor
Corran Horn
Count Dooku
Dace Diath
Daeshara'cor
Dark Woman
Darovit
Darth Bandon
Darth Bane
Darth Caedus
Darth Krayt/A'Sharad Hett (Specify Which)
Darth Malak
Darth Maleval
Darth Maul
Darth Nihl
Darth Nihilus
Darth Sidious
Darth Sion
Darth Talon
Darth Traya
Darth Vader
Darth Zannah
Depa Billaba
Desann
Duron Qel-Droma
Echuu Shen-Jon
Eeth Koth
Elke Vetter
Empatojayos Brand
Etain Tur-Mukan
Even Piell
Exar Kun
The Exile
Fable Astin
Feln
Feris Olin
Foul Moudama
Freedon Nadd
Ganner Krieg
Ganner Rhysode
Gantoris
Gethzerion
Githany
Hardin
Hethrir
Ikrit
Jaden Korr
Jaina Solo
Jerec
Jocasta Nu
Jolee Bindo
Jorak Uln
Joruus C'Baoth
Juhani
K'kruhk
Kam Solusar
Kar Vastor
Kavar
Kenth Hamner
Ki-Adi-Mundi
Kiel Charny
Kiranna Ti
Kit Fisto
Kol Skywalker
Komari Vosa
Kyle Katarn
Kyp Durron
Leia Organa-Solo
Lord Hoth
Lord Kaan
Lord Kas?im
Lord Kopecz
Lord Nyax
Lord Qordis
Lowbacca
Lucien Draay
Ludo Kressh
Luke Skywalker
Luminara Unduli
Lumiya
Mace Windu
Mara Jade-Skywalker
Marasiah Fel
Marka Ragnos
Naga Sadow
Nejaa Halcyon
Nelani Dinn
Nomi Sunrider
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Octa Ramis
Odan Urr
Oppo Rancisis
Pablo Jill
Pernicar
Plo Koon
Q'Anilia
Qu Rahn
Qui-Gon Jinn
Quinlan Vos
Raana Tey
Revan/Darth Revan (Specify Which)
Roan Fel
Rosh Penin
Saba Sebatyne
Saesee Tiin
Sedriss
Serra Keto
Shaak Ti
Shado Vao
Sharad Hett
Sirak
Siri Tachi
Sora Bulq
Stass Allie
Streen
Sylvar
Tahiri Viela
Tamith Kai
Tenel Ka
Tavion
Tesar Sebatyne
Thann Mithric
Tholme
Thon
Tott Doneeta
Tr'a Saa
Tremayne
Tresina Lobi
Tulak Hord
Tyvokka
Ulic Qel-Droma
Uthar Wynn
Vergere
Valenthyne Farfalla
Vima-Da-Boda
Vima Sunrider
Visas Marr
Vodo Siosk-Bass
Voolvif Monn
Vrook
Xanatos
Wolf Sazen
Whie
Yaddle
Yarael Poof
Ylenic It'kla
Yoda
Yuthura Ban
Zannah
Zayne Carrick
Zett Jukassa
Zekk
Zez-Kai Ell

 

I honestly can't think of anyone that needs to be added. In fact, maybe it's time for some trimming of the extreme dead weight on that list. I'm talking about certain picks that haven't been drafted since way back when the list was so small that every name on it had to be drafted. Picks that aren't ever likely to be taken again.

Bultar Swan? Stass Allie? To name a couple.

 

I agree. As Legacy continues, and the EU keeps expanding, we're going to be adding more Jedi/Sith to the list, and I think it'd be great trim some names like Swan off that list.

 

I think we should add Darth Kruhl, even if he is just another red shirt sith.

Evil.

 

Meh. Whatever on him. I'd be sorely tempted to vote Bultar Swan over him.

Just a couple clean up suggestions for the list. Cade's listed next to Ben for some odd reason. Guy should probably be in the 'C's, no?

Also, there's a Darth out there who's not grouped with all the rest. I know he's more commonly referred to by the name he's listed at, but I've kinda always wanted to see 'Count Dooku' become 'Darth Tyranus'. But I guess that's not a big deal.

Oh, and with Tahiri, it's Veila, not Viela.

And also, whether we do some general trimming to the list or not, can we please at least remove Tulak Hord from the list? Once and for all... or at least until we get something tangible on the guy?

 

What about Tsui Choi. He would be a decent addition to a PT team. He did pretty well against Vader, which is more then most Jedi can say

Shoaneb Culu she seems to have just as much experience and skill as Tott


Kaox Krul Seems like a good Sith to add to the list, and if you add him you should probably add Crian Maru who killed him

 

Let me drop the 800 lb gorilla in the room:

Should Greivous be added?

If you look at his skill and experience, there are not many that can compare to him.