The Sith Ascendancy [Spoilers and Fries with Everything]

Yep. It's a continuity fix, with speculation and potential spoilers for everything from the deepest of deep KotOR backstory through to The Swarm War and beyond... most of the intelligent thought underpinning this suggestion is the result of shuffling ideas around with someone who has the good taste not to post on these boards - the wacky, eccentric stuff, though, is pure Ewok...

So, for old times' sake...

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Okay... now, to start with, these will probably seem rather disaggregated remarks, arranged in a roughly chronological order...

Significantly before the KotOR timeframe, a group of "Dark Jedi" conquered, and interbred with, the Sith race... they established a "Sith Empire" ruled by "Dark Lords of the Sith", in the far-flung reaches of the Galaxy beyond the frontier of the Old Republic... in the KotOR timeframe, this Sith Empire and its Mandalorian allies clashed with the Old Republic in a series of wars...

But at the end of KotORII, this "Sith Empire" is revealed to be substantially intact, and located in the Unknown Regions...

Two thousand years before the Galactic Civil War, a new "Sith War" began, a conflict which lasted for a thousand years, and ended with the destruction of Lord Kaan and Lord Hoth's armies on Ruusan... after this, the Old Republic and the Jedi Order were reformed, and the Sith went into hiding... though it is unclear what relationship either the enemies of the Republic in these long wars, or the post-Ruusan "Sith Order" bore to the "Sith Empire" last heard of millennia earlier in the Unknown Regions...

At around the same time as the end of this "Sith War", a millennium before the Galactic Civil War, we have the earliest defined date in the history of the Chiss, when they began to fortify the Redoubt Cluster against unspecified enemies.

Around thirty years before the start of the Galactic Civil War, several things happened, though in no clear order.

1. The Yuuzhan Vong began squadron-strength scouting missions into the GFFA.

2. A battle or sequence of engagements occurred involving: the Jedi-led Outbound Flight Project which was exploring the Unknown Regions; Kinman Dorian, an agent of Darth Sidious, the Master of the "hidden" Sith Order that had emerged from the rubble of Ruusan, who had orders to destroy Outbound Flight; and a patrol group of the Chiss Expansionary Defence Force, led by Commander Mitth'raw'nuruodo.

3. The Chiss dramatically accelerated their fortification of the Redoubt Cluster.

A little over years later, a Victory-class Star Destroyer of the Imperial Fleet encountered Mitth'raw'nuruodo, who Palpatine had been actively seeking in the interim. The former Chiss officer had apparently been exiled for his urging of "preemptive strikes" against enemies.

Thrawn was recruited by the Empire, and, according to Mara Jade, recieved a "secret promotion" to Grand Admiral. Palpatine seems to have sent him back to the Unknown Regions, although his mission and the size of his initial command remain unclear.

Here, apparently the first species he encountered were barbarian raiders known as Ebruchi. In retrospect, the asymmetrical patchwork aesthetic of Ebruchi clothes would seem to have been influenced by that of the Chiss...

Shortly before the Battle of Hoth, Thrawn was assigned Darth Vader's Noghri Death Commandos. It is an interesting piece of SW trivia that Tim Zahn originally intended these to be the Sith species - with Thrawn, by implication, as Vader's successor as Dark Lord...

A few months after the Battle of Endor, the forty-four Star Destroyers of Black Sword Command, ranging in size from VSDs to three SSDs, vanished from the Koornacht Cluster. Detailed review of the fragmentary evidence surviving after the defeat of the Duskhan League suggests the bulk of these ships did not, in fact, find their way into Yevethan hands.

Simultaneously, Director of Intelligence Ysanne Isard staged a coup on Coruscant, and subsequently "disappeared" man

 

All that and you're basically saying "Chiss = Sith" ?

Brilliant.

 

you've put your best into your theorys as usaul great job,but have you considered the smurfs as the villian.

 

Simple fix -- divergent evolution, coupled with whatever hard radiations the "Chiss colonists" had been soaking up, or something close to it.

In our own world, the same process of divergent evolution/speciation which was responsible for the dissimilarities which exist between Northern Europeans and beavers or orangutans also created the dissimilarities between Northern Europeans and, say, the Congoids or the ethnic Chinese.

So it could happen.

Looking at the galactic map, though, one big, major question remains: whither Ziost, and the other ancient Sith throneworlds? We see Ziost in one of the Young Jedi Knights books, but it drops out of sight the instant one finishes Golden Age of the Sith. Could it once again have become the rightful Sith capitol, seeing as how the vast breadth of the original empire went unmolested by the Republic for some 1,049 years and change?

And the precise boundaries of the "true" Sith Empire sought by Revan aren't exactly demarcated in the game. All we mainly have is a general direction that he took, which is presumably the same route that we see the Ebon Hawk taking in that final shot.

Still, Yaga Minor is far to the "galactic northwest" from Ziost and Korriban; Thrawn's interceptor fleet outfitted by Doriana and Palpatine would've had to have hustled their chuffs outside their territory to catch the Outbound Flight, which itself skirted well beyond the sealed Sith Empire borders. Who knows...there could be some locus where *both* sets of variables could work -- the Chiss placement, coupled with enough proximity to the Sith territories to allow for Thrawn's early movements.

 

The Chiss and Sith might not be the same people, or the former descended from the latter. But they could have originally been one people that split apart in the years before the founding of the Republic.

I don't think those Charrics in KOTORII showed up purely by chance.

 

Oh, how the mighty have fallen!

 

Yup, the Charrics came from somewhere Chiss-relevant -- earlier, I posted their RPG stats from the game over in the "Official KOTOR and the EU" thread.

Another possible connector.

 

Interesting. I recall reading that the Chiss are descendants of human colonists after 25,000 years of seperation. 25,000 before Yavin the Republic is formed, blah blah blah. We all know the story... vaguely. And then we have the schism. Did all of the fallen Jedi colonize the same planet? And if they didn't they still could have kept in communication.

 

But could humans mutate into Chiss in only 25,000 years? It usually takes longer for something like that to happen, even in Star Wars.

 

Wow. That post kicked all forms of Jedi ass.

You know, Thrawn, now I'm not sure if I think your crazy or a genius.... But who's to say there is some distinguishable line dividing sanity from insanity?

 

There's isn't. 'Insanity' is a legal term.


To reply: McEwok, once more a far-reaching and well-crafted theory. Bravo! But a question: What if these Sith cum Chiss are 'sepratists' of the original Sith themselves? That this 'blood-freezing threat' is in fact their forebears, whom they fled or were exiled from?

 

Or it could be the other way around. The Sith could have been renegade Chiss twisted by the darkside or something.

 

Does that imply Jag Fel is a clone?

Regardless, if Chiss equals/relates to Sith, Jag is serving the Sith order, emotionally tied to Jaina, who kind of went to the dark side in DJ, while her brother is the new Sith Lord according to some theories.

Nice setting for Dark Nest. Maybe Alderaan was destroyed for something else after all? Some evidence that the Chiss are Sith that Palpatine wanted to get rid off?

Of topic, Sith and Chiss easily merges to "Schiss" which has a certain meaning in German.

 

killfire: Does that imply Jag Fel is a clone?

No, sorry.

Maybe Alderaan was destroyed for something else after all?

Whoah.







That's... amazing...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

killfire: Maybe Alderaan was destroyed for something else after all?



I like it!