Speculation The Sith in Disney Trilogy

Yup... Fallen first, then recruited by Palpatine and became a Sith. One of the statues of the Fallen Jedi at the Temple is of Dooku.

 

Yeah that's right! There was a deleted scene in AOTC of Kenobi in the library looking at the statues.

 

The "Lost Twenty" are 20 Masters that left the Order for one reason or another. Dooku was the 20th.

In the EU, Darth Ruin, the founder of (that iteration of) the Sith Order, was the first.

 

Yes, and part of that scene was not deleted... it made it in as the shot where Kenobi is looking at Dooku's statue for just a second before Jocasta Nu (librarian) walks up and asks if he needs help.

 

Good to know. Last time I saw AOTC was back in March.

 

I think Dark Jedi don't tend to follow Sith teachings or the Sith Code, they just use the Force to do bad things.

Vader, Sidious and Co follow a religion just like the Jedi.

 

In the movies, on the surface it might seem pretty black and white. It seems like you're either a Jedi or a Sith. But the reality of that logic is flawed.

Anakin, as a Jedi padawan used the dark side in his actions against the Tusken Raiders in AOTC and then as a Jedi Knight, by killing an unarmed Dooku in ROTS. However, neither of these acts make him a Sith immediately.

Luke also wrestled with the dark side on at least two occasions in ROTJ. (Choking scene at Jabba's palace and in his rage vs. Vader by protecting Leah)

Bringing the Sith back (ex - the Rule of Two, the Darth Bane line, the Darth Sidious Empire) starts with an idealogy and requires an invitation. Anakin accepted the invitation and this made him a Sith. Luke declined the invitation and this established him as a Jedi.

Post ROTJ, the Sith are extinct and bringing them back in the ST is a terrible and lazy choice. Disney has a real dilemma here: You need antagonists for your trilogy. But frankly, politicians and bounty hunters aren't that interesting with lightsabers. No, you need some force users who use the darkside. You need somebody powerful to oppose the new Jedi and Republic. But you definitely don't want the Sith to return because you've already completed that story.

I think they are going to have to invent a new darkside order.

 

The TPM novel establishes the Sith as a SPECIFIC ORGANIZATION of fallen Jedi, NOT a synonym for fallen Jedi.

 

Which in the end begs the question what is the real difference? Especially to the average audience member? The average audience member has not read the darth bane trilogy. They have not done a ton of research on what makes Sith different form any other darkside. Therefore the average audience member will look at someone who looks like a sith, walks like a sith, talks like a sith, does things like a sith, but they are called a different name. In the end the lazy factor would feel the same to the average audience member. This is why I am honestly ok with a return of the sith because
1. It is not that difficult to do and there is nothing story wise keeping them from it.
2. Any main villain that is a dark side force user will basically be a sith anyway for the average audience member. If that is the case then just call it what it is for the average person. Or don't give them a name at all, and just call them a master of the dark side of the force.

It's fine if you think a return of the sith is lazy, but having another dark side user by a different organization name is just as lazy and the general audience will see it for exactly what it is. I really just want a good film with an intriguing villain that lasts through the whole trilogy. Go ahead and make him a sith, just make him/her compelling to watch.

 

Or, drop the "red vs blue & green" theme entirely.

 

Those "average audience" people don't know what a Sith is.

 

It just the answer that makes the most sense.

Think about it, all Sith Lords from a certain point onwards gave themselves the "Darth" title plus and invented Sith name (Count Dooku becomes Darth Tyranus, Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader and so on . Dark Jedi don't do that, Asajj Ventress is really called Asajj Ventress for example.

Remember in the old CW cartoon series that Ventress says "I am Sith" and then Dooku laughs at her? It's clear she is not Sith purely because she has red lightsabers and uses Dark Side Force powers.

Plus I read this

 

Not sure how this ties in, but Darth was just a name at one point.

 

That's kind of my point.

 

I meant that they don't think all darksiders are Sith.

 

My point was changing the name would only make the general audience feel the concept to be lazy.

 

I was under the impression that the term "Sith" applies to anyone who uses the dark side of the Force to evil or selfish ends. Also, there are true "Sith", members of the Dath Bane Sith Order, direct disciples of the original Sith Lords. Also, the sith race, which are now extinct. I would mention a certain Darth Caedus, but I'm not allowed.

 

If there is gonna be a new sith now that Palpatine is gone. There can be a padawan from Luke's new Jedi order to master the dark arts of Palpatine in secret, behind Luke's back.

 

If I was writing the ST I would seriously consider having Leia fall to the dark side.
I honestly think Carrie could sink her teeth into an evil character, more so than a distinguished representative of the republic. I don't know if I would do it, but I'd definintely roll it around in my mouth for a few weeks to see what I could come up with.

 

I think most SW fan's greatest fear is that the new trilogy will not preserve the integrity of the already-told story from I-VI. Having Leah turn to the dark side would be a terrible mistake and would be a sure way to cut off a large amount of fans.

@Fleab88 - I understand your POV, but I disagree. A darkside user doesn't have to a Sith.

 

That's not remotely close to what I said. The average audience member simply would not be able to tell the difference. It would be considered just as lazy as you think a return of the sith would be.

 

I really don't care about the average audience member. I just care that the writers protect the integrity of the Skywalker Story.