Discussion in 'Communications' started by Darth_Dagsy, Nov 7, 2002.
That's ok, YJ. Just keep up the good work. Sooner or later this new idea will take hold.
Cool idea. I just have a question (about the Misc.): Do the actors' fan clubs belong in misc. or not (or do we even have actors' fan clubs anywhere at all)? I mean, are Ewan McGregor or Natalie Portman fan clubs allowed in here some place?
Actor FanClubs belong in the JCC, at least that's where I've always seen them. I think it's best to keep them in there.
How about changing SW Misc into a Social forum and creating a new forum called Star Wars General?
It would let people who create all the "Star TEENS only" threads talk in the social forum and let serious people talk in General.
If people want to be social then they should go to YJCC!
The Miscellaneous/Saga Forum should contain serious discussions with a few game/social threads for fun.
yeah I guess so
So this this conversation has made it into the ModSquad update, but we are bringing it back here.
I am following up Sapes post here:
Think about this and then you can post in your thread. If we took out line-by-line's and X vs Y, would it be a saga forum as you described it?
Well, Gay-Len brought up the idea of consolidating the Line By Lines. I think that is great.
I think we need to deal with the Games threads...I think it was Wenley that suggested having a few games threads, and change them over every month. That could cut down on the real estate that they take up. If we could cut back on social threads it would be a big help. The DFs. The threads that are more about socialising than about serious in depthe discussion.
There are a whole bunch of areas that would need to be cut back on in order to adequately encourage Saga discussion. I just say LbLs and X vs Y simply because they are the first things to come to mind.
This is why I say it could be easier for a new forum. It would mean we wouldnt have to harm threads that have a big fan base, but we could still have good Saga discussion. We could have a SW Community and a SW Saga forum, or have Saga and Merge Misc into the JCC.
But to me its about having a forum where intelligent Saga discussion is the primary focus.
You have valid points and it's essentially what I had been advocating for the JCC. I thought it would be best for all social threads in all forums to go into what I would call the "Jedi Council Social Forum". They can be intimidating to new users and drown out new ideas.
Line-by-line's aren't actually all that active in the Misc forum. But we could consider taking it down to a single one. No offense to those who post in them, but my opinion has always been that they are a +1. My reaon is because it doesn't require innovative thought. At least in a quote thread, you're searching through dialogue in your head from all the films and trying to maintain a conversation. Line-by-line's are a copy and paste function only.
The social forum would be YJCC, wouldn't it?
Pure social threads that belong in YJCC shouldn't be allowed to stay in SW Misc just because the author of the thread put the words "Star Wars" in the title.
Agreed, take the Blue Yoda Society for example.
We grew beyond limiting our discussions to just simply Yoda and his turning blue, we socialised, made friends and outgrew the confines of the Miscellaneous forums.
I am sure the same is true of many of the social threads, hardly any of them seem to discuss Star Wars.
I say transfrom Miscellaneous, cut down on game and social threads and if feathers are ruffled so be it.
It comes down to the fact that we can't please everyone...
The only social thread that I can see would have to remain forum-specific would be the 3SA social thread. Although it's primarily a social thread, spoilers pop in there from time to time.
I think that each forum should be able to have one social thread. It helps establish a sense of community between members in that forum, something that probably couldn't happen in YJCC.
Yeah, I'm with Jeff....as I said earlier, each movie forum can have one social thread in order to let the regulars build a sense of togetherness. 3NS has a social thread IIRC, as does AotC and 3SA.
Lets just have one per forum....Perhaps either the Starbucks or the Shaving Habits thread can go back to CT, etc.
If only one or the other of those threads goes back to OT, one clique will not be happy.
Of course, I think Shaving Habits is by far the more Star Wars-related of the two, but that's just me.
It seems that many of the threads in SW Misc are suited for YJCC, but there may not be any need for Misc to be changed. Why can't we make it similar to the way EU is run? It has specific forums (Games, CCG, etc), then one all-encompassing forum (Literature) for "the chronicling of the entire SW saga" as one member put it in there, and EU Community for the more social aspect of the EU group. Why can't we use this exact formula for the Movies category? SW Misc becomes SW Community, and a new forum is created for all saga-related discussion and anything that doesn't really fit in a specific movie forum. It wouldn't be a radical change, but it would set more defined guidelines for what is allowed in Misc.
Line-by-line's are a copy and paste function only.
Not for some people! I don't copy and paste! It is actually pretty hard to remember all the lines from the movies inorder. That is why there is a few regulars who post in there and actually post right. Every once in a while a new user and/or new person to the threads will put a line in and that is usually at a memorable line... such as "No. I am your father." Etc. IMHO, The quote game thread is somewhat easier for most people because they usually use dialogue that is memorable or a personal favorite. Just my two cents, defending me and my fellow line-by-liners!
Oh, and I don't like the idea of only having a few games a month. They aren't hurting anyone and they are fun. Why limit the amount of fun people can have on these boards, just because a select few don't like it?
Because too many games/social threads will hinder legitimate Saga discussion?
Our priorities should be legit discussion, not games. If you want games, there are plenty in the JCC.
If you want games, there are plenty in the JCC.
I don't think there are any that are Star Wars related though.
I have no problem with legit discussion about the saga, in fact I would love to have more discussion about the saga, But if games are more popular to the people who use these boards, then so be it. You may not like it, some other few may not like it, but these are boards for fans of Star Wars and they should be able to play a Stars Wars game if they want too, and judging by how big and how often people post in these threads, they are indeed types of threads that people enjoy having.
There is nothing wrong with games in spirit, and I for one am quite fond of the Survivor type games.
But as Dagsy said, it limits Serious Discussion, and that would be the point of the proposed Star Wars Saga forum - these "fun" threads would just be a plus!
The problem is that there are too many currently - and more are being created all the time.
"Limiting" the games would not only free up space for serious discussion, but would give members something refreshing - not seeing and participating in the same old game all the time.
The Star Wars Community idea has its merits and EU Community seems to function quite nicely. The only problem I would forsee would be a question of traffic - would there be enough interest for it?
Besides, we do have the YJCC. The Star Wars Forums are primarily for the discussions of the movies are they not? Not Socialising...
neeldawg66, your reasons are exactly why I have stated my preferences for a seperate Saga forum...that way we encourage Saga discussion, but dont stop the games and fun threads.
However, it seems more likely that they will all be kept in the same forum.
Here's what I hope one day to see.
Star Wars Saga Discussion Forum- No games, fan clubs etc. Strictly serious and sometimes (albeit a few} non-serious discussion about all different aspects of the Saga and how they relate to each other. Discussion can range from just two of the Episodes, too all six Episodes.
Star Wars Miscellaneous- Games, Line-By-Lines, Star Wars humor threads(Example: Palpatine's first name thread), Star Wars polls and Star Wars stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else. EDIT- Fan clubs too, (Example: Obi-Wan Kenobi fan clubs) and pre-existing SW Miscellaneous Social Clubs.
What do you think?
Its nice....I've put that very idea forward already. Most members of the administration that have popped in here to discuss this, however, seem to want only one forum.
Just an addition to the Saga forum as you have it there....the discussion would have to cross PT and CT boundaries...it cant be something easily confined to one of the other forums.
That could work neel quite well and essentially what Dagsy was suggesting to start with.
Would it be possible for the Mods/AC Members to give a heads up if discussion is centering on making the new forum or transforming the Miscellaneous forum?
It's also what I suggested a bit further up this page.
A separate forum would be worth it. You have to wonder about the JC's priorities when they're willing to create forums that have nothing to do with Star Wars, but a huge ordeal has to be undertaken simply to get more Star Wars discussion happening.
OK, I've been through this thread and I see the same arguements posted over and over again with different emphasis and different persepctives. the crux of the situation is this:
1) Is Dagsy's idea for a "Saga Forum" warranted?
2) Should it have a seperate forum or should it share Miscellaneous?
3) If it shares Miscellaneous, should it be altered in any fashion to accomodate the new content?
1) Personally speaking I can see the sense in this idea. The sense of the entire Star Wars Saga is something that is becoming more and more apparent as we draw to the close of the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. There seems to be some popularity to the idea amongst the user base oo yes, I would endorse this forum
2) I think it should share Miscellaneous. The forum needs to be redefined to some degree and I am dead against the further specialisation and diversification of these boards. I think we have too many already. If this idea could work in an existing forum and Miscellaneous would benefit from it, I don't see why it shouldn't be tried. There is always room for a new forum down the line if sharing didn't work for some unknown reason.
3) Miscellaneous in not a bad forum at the moment. There is alot of newbie posting in there and they can sometimes be unaware of the rules. Moderating under the specificatioj that the forum contains "anything SW-related that doesn't fit anywhere else" isn't an easy task. If I had my way, we would see this:
* 1 LxL thread that alternates between each of the 5 movies as the last one finishes.
* 1 "Ask An SW Question" thread where anyone with an honest question about the films can ask it without being ridiculed.
* 1 quality debate thread, possibly inter-forum (eg: a team from the AotC forum debate fans of TPM about which was better and why)
* Any Defence Forces that currently exist (although I think there's only 2 left still fuctioning)
* Top 5 most popular games, capped to stop new games being started.
More to follow soon......