The Star Wars scores: obsessive listeners only

[Well, anyone is welcomed to read and post. How?s this, if you?re a person who believes Episode II doesn?t have tracked-on music from other Star Wars movies you should probably look elsewhere to post your two-cents.]

All right then...?


So, recently I?ve noticed some sweet musical-melodic bringing from Menace to Clones.

In the beginning of Episode I when we first see our senator from Naboo we hear this eerie, ominous, melody that might be a spin-off of the Emperors theme.

In Episode II I hear the same melody when the Councilor is talking to Anakin.

So do you think it has any musical meaning or just an odd similarity?

 

So, recently I?ve noticed some sweet musical-melodic bringing from Menace to Clones.

Huh? Can you translate that please?

In the beginning of Episode I when we first see our senator from Naboo we hear this eerie, ominous, melody that might be a spin-off of the Emperors theme.

When we see Palps/Sid in the begining of Episode 1 we hear the Emperor's Theme (from ROTJ). Not a spinoff.

In Episode II I hear the same melody when the Councilor is talking to Anakin.

Personally, I couldn't pick up on any solid theme during the scene with Anakin and Supreme Chancellor Palps. Maybe I need to watch the movie again.

 

Oh, haha ? I meant (sweet melodic "Bridging")


"When we see Palps/Sid in the begining of Episode 1 we hear the Emperor's Theme (from ROTJ). Not a spinoff."

Uh... no, sorry I need to be more specific. When we first see Senator Palpatine?s hologram, we hear that eerie music.

 

What I loved (probably the only musical moment that stood out in my mind from AOTC) was during Anakin's confession, when the Emperor's theme came in. Not Darth's theme, but the theme of the evil guy who was pulling his strings, bringing to mind the whole of the Dark Side. The swelling of the music also perfectly matched Ani's voice and inflection... it was perfect.

 

That eerie music IS the Emp's theme. Unless you mean the beginning of the cue, which was recycled 3 times (I counted) in AotC.

 

I know what motif you're talking about. I only heard it in that scene between Anakin and Palpatine in AOTC though... never in TPM. And I did notice that it is not the Emperor's Theme literally stated, but rather a disguised variation of it in solo trumpet.

 

I agree with you, Claire. That inclusion of Palpatines theme, along with the Imperial March was a nice touch. I was hoping for more of Palpatines theme during the film, so here's hoping for Episode III!

 

Hey sorry that I will go out of subject but I want to bring a point on the AOTC soundtrack which is one of my favourite JW moves ever.

At the end of the "End Credits" of AOTC we all know that once the Star Wars main theme fades then Across the Stars commences. Now, have you noticed just before the end of the track (1 minute or so) the quick succession of all Anakin-related themes? The original Love Theme fades and Anakin's Theme from TPM begins. And then Anakin's Theme is again transformed into the main melody of the Love Theme. But just before the end we have the Bass playing clearly Darth Vader's Theme. And just when you though it would end the flute (or whatever that is) that was playing the Love Theme goes very high and plays the last 5 notes of Darth Vader's theme following the bass which was already playing Darth Vader's theme. Symbolically this shows us the full course of Anakin in the prequels. His past an innocent boy, his present and forbidden love that (problably) ruined him, and his future as the Dark Lord of the Sith. Personally I think that was a magnificent ending of the End Credits which leads directly and inevitably to a very Dark E3. Furthermore if you combine the end of TPM where it again ended with Vader's theme but only in the bass and very subtle in its presence you get a sense that the menace is now longer that far away, since in AOTC Vader's theme is much more present.

So what do you guys & girls think of that bit of the Soundtrack of AOTC? Personaly I think it proves once again Williams's genious and IMHO Star Wars would be much much poorer if it weren't for Williams's music.

Besides if there is a field that the PT has done better than the OT (excluding technological andvancements) is the music score...

 

"And I did notice that it is not the Emperor's Theme literally stated, but rather a disguised variation of it in solo trumpet."

I?ve always kind of felt that, but yes, it is disguised cleverly. It sounds like the Emperor?s theme, and it doesn?t all at the same time.


Wolfspirit: That's precisely how I feel, Clones? end credit cue is perfect, I wish it got into the movie.

Leitmotif is a very powerful thing.

 

In reply to the first post. Are you saying you heard small bits of the dark side theme when we first saw the queen? Don't yell at me is this is stupid but do you think the music is hinting Padme being evil? I hear what i think is the emperor's theme during the battle plans scene in TPM. AND the "poloticion is not to be trusted" could actaully mean something, and remember Lucas said you wouldn't know who to trust in ep3 (i think he said that but don't kill me if he didn't.) If you think this is a load of [put word here] don't yell at me. Music hinting Padme being evil. Also remember Lucas rejected the Padme theme for TPM, it was probably going to be a sweet sounding theme, maybe lucas didn't want it because he's planning a complete turn around about padme. HMMM... You never know, my brain just had a theory. (And yes this does have to with music, music hinting something about padme)

 

Well... no, I was referring to the music when the hologram signal was breaking up.

 

I don't have the soundtrack music, but I have downloaded a bunch of Star Wars music from Episode II, and I like the love theme.

 

I thought that exact same thought, CopernicusDent. When Ani and Palpatine are walking towards the door in his office, the trumpet flares up and it reminded me of that eerie horn music when we first see the hologram of Palpatine in TPM.

The motif seems like an inverted or disguised "Emperor's Theme", yes.

 

well, maybe thats not what you thought, but hey, you never know...

 

Careful there, Samwise.

We don't take well to the pirating kind 'round here.

Plus, the soundtrack has SUPERIOR sound quality....no crappy-sounding crash symbals.

 

Well I can't exactly afford a bunch of CD's. Burning your own CD's is better and much cheaper! besides, it sound the same. I like it better that way, and I think ppl agree with me^_^ (no offence to anyone who doesn't agree)

 

Something I have not seen mentioned here: I absolutely love that Shmi's Theme can be heard in AOTC seconds prior to her death scene. But, unlike in TPM, where the theme was upbeat and somewhat optimistic, the theme heard in AOTC is overtly melancholic and foreshadows what is to come. Truly one of the great musical moments of AOTC, of which there were many.

 

Ok for The Phantom Menece Soundtrack there were I think 2 versions the orginal and a ultimate edition, which is the music to the entire movie. (I mean the entire movie.) Does anyone know if they are going to do that for Attack of the Clones?

 

Anakin3- : I never knew that! Where is that available?

I noticed that there are some sound snippets from the movie, AOTC, that I would have liked to have heard in the soundtrack that's been released. For example the music that is played when Palpating is giving his, "it is with great reluctance that I have agreed to this calling...I love democracy. I love the republic. The powa you give me I will lay down when this crisis is abated; and as my first act with this new authority, I will create a grahnd ahmy of the republic to counter the increasing threats of the separtists."

oooh, getting a little quote carried away there. I love that line...but the music during it is great! very ominous and heavy.

 

*****Machinating*****
If you go to any music store it is the one with Darth Maul on the cover it's blue and shimmery almost. It's like $40.00 at the most. I don't remember. It's 2 cd's. It's a really good soundtrack. I love it. I bought it 3 years ago.

I know what your talking about with the democracy and the republic part.
I love it too. I hope I helped you.

If anyone else can still answer my question I would love it thanks.

Anakin3-

 

"The motif seems like an inverted or disguised "Emperor's Theme", yes."

I?m glade we see eye-to-eye.


"Does anyone know if they are going to do that for Attack of the Clones?"

I?m sure Sony will release the complete Clones score in the same time frame as they did for the Phantom Menace.
The first album came out in May of 99, and the expanded album was released on November of 2000 (was it)?

As all Star Wars fans we shall just have to wait, and purchase multiple copies of the same product.


"Something I have not seen mentioned here: I absolutely love that Shmi's Theme can be heard in AOTC seconds prior to her death scene."

You also hear it when Anakin is talking about his nightmares with Obi-Wan.

Williams said once that there is a Queen then in Menace but I?ve yet to hear it.


"Well I can't exactly afford a bunch of CD's."

Try moonlighting.

 

First of all, and no offence here, but Anakin3- and Machiavel need to read all the key threads on this board before continuing in this discussion. Not knowing about the UE on this board is like going into the AOTC board and asking when Episode 2 is coming out.

And I'd like to pick up on WolfSpirit's very good point about the 'distance' from the OT heard at the end of each end credits. Well spotted, and although it may not be intentional, it's stil there and you have identified an interesting trend, which I think will be proven when the end credits for Episode 3 finish with a huge Imperial March conclusion. Now that would be nice.

 

Discussion: Musical expectations for Episode III.


Your thoughts...?


Here's one of mine:

Along with bridging many of the underdeveloped themes from prequel trilogy onto Episode 4,5, and 6, I think it would be interesting to bridge the Force Theme (Ben?s theme in Episode IV) and evolve it to the Force theme to Ben?s theme and then ultimately back to force theme.
Sort of to make Ben Kenobi?s theme all the more important when A New Hope rolls around, so we can experience musically why Obi-Wan is really the embodiment of the Jedi.

 

Another thought, should Count Dooku have the same evil/motif that was in Epiosde II or should he have a whole new theme altogether?

 

Hmmm, on second thought, I guess it isn?t his theme to begin with.